Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[avm228]

- Thomas J.A. Hollingsworth b.City of London June 1866?

Likely death:

Dec qtr 1869

Thomas James A HOLLINGSWORTH aged 3, Stepney 1c 400

[avm228]

Absolutely, I check there....I was always told that site wasn't very accurate?

As with any index there are errors, and it's a work in progress, but it's pretty very good for the 19th century now and it's the same index (up to 1915) used by Ancestry.

[DarrenMW]

Don't shoot the messenger...but, despite both looking like 1865 births,

could

 R.Smith / R.Hollingsworth be the boy that goes into the Navy

AND

Thomas Richey (Ritchie) be the boy from Mary and Patrick in Middlesboro and who went on to join the army.

That would allow you Midlesboro link to stay viable.

As we're looking for Thomas, should we be worried that R.Hollingsworth,  not T. Hollingsworth on the ship.

My hypothesis is that R HOLLINGSWORTH (1881) and Robert SMITH (1871) may be one and the same.  Whether they are then the same person as Thomas RICHEY (1891) is another question!

Thomas RICHEY was, for what it's worth, registered at death as Thomas R. RICHEY...

[avm228]

Yes, absolutely possible.  I'm not in any hurry to abandon the Middlesbro' link to the only boy in the country with the right name/age combination!

Is there any living family member who might be able to expand on the so-called "Durham connection"?  Any clue would be a good clue at this point.

[DarrenMW]

Glad we agree on the Middlesboro thing! personally, I still think thats the primary lead and that young Robert Smith/Hollingsworth is an interesting, but not critical, child of our Thomas Hollingsworth (aka Smith)

The 'Durham' connection is unlikely to help. It is a mix of ;

1) My sister in law doing a very basic search on freeBMD for Robert Richeys , I think...I'll check with her

2) My Fathers side (from Lancs) had a oral history to Durham, which in the past 48 hours (courtesy folks on this wonderful site) we have managed to confirm as factual!


What do you think about the Hollingsworth and Smith households being so close to each other in London 1871? I am strongly considering that the families knew about each other.....so close in location (less than 1/2 mile), they'd almost HAVE to run into each other.

I mean, maybe Eliza Smith and Isabel Hollingsworth both knew of the other relationship with Thomas Hollingsworth?   

[avm228]

I mean, maybe Eliza Smith and Isabel Hollingsworth both knew of the other relationship with Thomas Hollingsworth?   

Maybe.  Impossible to say, really!

Possible sighting of Alice (SMITH in 1861, 1871):

1881 census: RG11/1184/97/44

St Catherine's Home, Ventnor, IOW

Alice HOLLINGSWORTH Patient Unm 22 Bookfolder London

[DarrenMW]

There certainly seems to be a merging of the Smiths into the Hollingsworths.

I'm not saying Eliza and Isabella approved of each other necessarily (though I don't discount it in some very unusual 'bigamist' style), but i do think they very likely knew of each other simply because of the proximity of their homes...I just don't see how that sort of thing can be keep quiet 1/2 mile apart.

I would feel differently if one was in London and one in Kent for example.

at this stage, I'm not sure I'd put anything past Thomas Hollingsworth 

 Even seeing birth registrations for the Smith children would ease my mind

[DarrenMW]

Liz - Are you referring to Thomas Richeys 1883 military service records from his stint with the Queens (Royal West Surrey) Regiment?

if so, WOW!
 

Please don't apologize for having to leave, your help has been invaluable!

I am just looking at his records on Ancestry - but there are pages and pages and I need to be off, so will have to come back tomorrow to it.
However, first page when asked if he has served before in the Royal Navy he says 'yes' which does strenghen the links with the person on the ship (Smith? Hollinsworth? I forget .... ) and then "discharged date....which I am trying to make out!

Sorry to leave in the lurch!

[DarrenMW]

re: St Catherine's Home, Ventnor, IOW

I read up on this, because it seemed interesting.

Founded in 1879 with C of E support. It was a nursing home for people with respiratory illnesses.

her probable death is shown on FreeBMD. The age is off my 1 year, but nonetheless.

Deaths Mar 1882

HOLLINGSWORTH    Alice E.M.    24    I.Wight    2b    445

Nice work finding Alice Hollingsworth (formerly Smith) there in 1881 'avm'!