Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[DarrenMW]

does the Thomas Richey (interesting that his mother Mary has gone from Ritichie to Richy to Richey) in Middlesboro have any strength after the 1881  report of living in Union Cottages with Mum Mary and her 'lodger' Gibson? 

Thanks

[avm228]

How about this - someone on Anc***** has this person in their public tree:

Bertha Selina Walker HOLLINGSWORTH
b 21 Mar 1870, d (as BOLT) 18 Mar 1939 Holloway

daughter of

Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH

b 21 Jan 1827 Southampton
d 22 Nov 1907 Shoreditch

and

Sarah Eliza SMITH

b Sep 1856 London

[Another public tree has similar information, plus more for Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH - his parents and grandparents, plus the info that his death was in Holborn workhouse].

[DarrenMW]

Woo hoo! excellent work! I am holding onto my hat, cos we are going on another journey here!

You had previously raised the idea that maybe Bertha wasn't Mary's daughter (though we later found Mary listed her as one of the 8, you idea could still be valid if Mary classed Bertha as her own upon marriage to Thomas H)

If, and it's a long shot, Bertha is the produce of Smith, then could Thomas Richey also be? he was born a couple of years prior to Bertha.

EDIT: Sadly......Sarah Eliza Smith is only 10-12 years older than Thomas Richey would be

This link to the other family tree COULD be a goldmine, someone is obviously interested enough to create a family tree is a very good sign 
   

[avm228]

Oh my goodness - I think they're all SMITH in 1871:

1871 census: RG10/379/40/73

12 Crawford Passage, Clerkenwell

Robert SMITH Head Mar 44 Bookbinder Hants Southampton
Eliza do Wife Mar 35 Middlesex Shoreditch
Emily do Daur Unm [age illegible] Bookfolder Middx London
Kate do Daur Unm 15 Middx Holborn
Eliza do Daur Unm 14 Middx Strand
Alice do Daur Unm 12 Middx Strand
Ellen do Daur 10 Middx Strand
Robert do Son 6 Middx Holborn
Bertha do Daur 1 Middx Holborn

[DarrenMW]

re: the two family trees you found on another site.

The one showing Thomas Hollingsworth d. 1907 Shoreditch could be very valuable, as we know he DID die between his son Edwards 1st marriage in 1904 and his 2nd marriage in 1911.....Edward was born in West Ham and the marriages were in East London, namely...Clapton and Tower Hamlets.

[lizdb]

Oh my goodness - I think they're all SMITH in 1871:

I just cant keep up
Hollingsworth/Richey/Smith ....

how many names does this man have?

[avm228]

re: the two family trees you found on another site.

The one showing Thomas Hollingsworth d. 1907 Shoreditch could be very valuable, as we know he DID die between his son Edwards 1st marriage in 1904 and his 2nd marriage in 1911.....Edward was born in West Ham and the marriages were in East London, namely...Clapton and Tower Hamlets.

Death, Dec qtr 1907

Robert HOLLINGSWORTH aged 67 [age doesn't fit - perhaps error in index? Or the workhouse didn't know his true age?]

Shoreditch 1c 56

[lizdb]

Aha a death for him

I wonder if he left a will, that might mention his varous offspring by the various wives/ladies under their various names .... maybe

[DarrenMW]

1881 - Northampton Road - Clerkenwell
1891 and 1901, 4, Hermes Street, Clerkenwell

the 1871 connection to Crawford Passage, Clerkenwell fits!


I am mentally crunching the names of the kids as 'Smith' in 1871 and trying to compare to later confirmed details we have! How many, if any, match up?

Robert Smith aged 6 in 1871 fits perfectly with believed year of birth for Thomas Richey!

This is fascinating!...I agree Liz....the man is a charlatan!