Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[lizdb]

Wow

Just popping in to say 'hi' and to catch up!
'Twill take me all week to catch up I think, so much has happened!

[avm228]

Trying to eliminate (or otherwise) the Thomas RICHY who was in Middlesbrough (then in Stockton RD) as a son of Patrick and Mary in 1871.

I think this may be the marriage of his parents, therefore postdating the births of both Thomas (5 in 1871) and his brother Francis (10 in 1871):

Marriage Dec qtr 1868

Patrick RITCHIE
Mary McDONNELL

on same page, Stockton 10a 142 (NB there is a bride missing from the FreeBMD index so if she is another Mary she could be Patrick's bride).

Possible birth for son Thomas fitting this scenario:

Birth Sep qtr 1866

Thomas MCDONNELL

Stockton 10a 61

[avm228]

Death, Mar qtr 1878

Patrick RITCHIE aged 38

Middlesbrough 9d 354

[avm228]

Possible sighting of widowed Mary & son Thomas in 1881:

1881 census: RG11/4886/85/37

10 Union Cottages, Middlesbrough

Mary RICHEY Head Widow 40 Cumberland
Thomas do Son 14 Scholar Middlesbrough
Thomas GIBSON Lodger Mar 42 Labourer Ireland

[DarrenMW]

Good morning Liz and AVM! 

I spent yesterday tracing back my Fathers side of the family with the help of a wonderful lady on this site. I truly have the genealogy bug now!

The M'Boro angle is becoming more feasible as we proceed. It brings some questions, but also some increasingly potential answers.

the dates certainly match up very nicely and the nagging Mary from Middlesboro question mark from earlier add to the intrigue.

Just re-read this and the phrase...  'nagging Mary from Middleboro' seems to do her an unintentional  disservice 

[DarrenMW]

I am reviewing these posts and determining which/if any certificate purchases would reasonably proof/discount anyone.

I am doing the same on my Wells/Dent thread that is running concurrently.

This genealogy is fascinating, truly like a big jigsaw or great book where you just can't wait to turn he next page! I'll be like a young boy on his Birthday waiting on the doorstep when the mailman delivers the certificates! Just like in yesteryear!

[avm228]

I think a key gap in the evidence is the 1871 position; in the 1871 census not one of the HOLLINGSWORTH family has been traced.  You may wish to consider purchasing Bertha's 1870 birth certificate, which would identify her mother's maiden name and also provide an address in 1870 which might (or might not) help trace the family in 1871.

[DarrenMW]

Ok, I shall purchase the Berta birth cert.

I know she was born circa 1870, in the frenzy i have forgotten if we have anything more specific on her DOB to make the purchase of her birth cert easier

It is odd that that NONE of the family appear in 1871, potential acting trip to Ireland/Scotland for example? Thomas 1st wife (Isabella) has not long passed away.

In 1881 we have very likely sightings of Thomas Hollingsworth (actor, right age and place of birth) in Newcastle lodging with Morrisons and in Clerkenwell, London with new wife Mary and the 1st 4 of their batch of children.

At that stage young Thomas Richey would be 13-15 range and yet is not listed with his father which i find interesting - unless as you say young Thomas Richey was living in M'Boro with his mother!!!  Makes perfect sense 

[avm228]

Bertha's likely birth is Jun qtr 1870 as Bertha Selina W HOLLINGSWORTH, Holborn 1b 596