Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[DarrenMW]

Wow! Even more detailed info....superb! thanks again for all of your work!

It was would interesting to see if we could locate the odd one out of Thomas Hollingsworths 11 children.

 Any birth or death cert for Thomas Richey as all we know is he was born 1866-1868 in Holborn, yet no certificates for him can be found anywhere?

Per her military files I know he was overseas with the Army 1883-1895, but there is no prior record of him existing.



...it is baffling me and he is my Grandmother Father...just my luck.

Going back to Thomas and Isabel[la], a marriage:

7 Nov 1852, Holy Trinity, Gray's Inn Road

Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH 25 Bachelor, Dramatic artist, son of Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH, Dramatic artist

and

Isabel TAYLOR 24 Spinster, daughter of James TAYLOR, bookseller

both of Dyers' Buildings, Holborn

[DarrenMW]

Valuable update!

THOMAS RICHEY died in Brighton, Sussex between 1932 and 1937.


this is per his daughter (my Grandmother)

the dates are know as his last child was born in 1932, and my Grandmother moved to London in 1937 and said her father (Thomas Richey) was already deceased at that time.

[avm228]

Here you go:

Death Dec qtr 1938

Thomas R. RICHEY aged 73

Brighton 2b 344

 

(Perhaps your grandmother's recollection was a year or so out?  There aren't any other suitable deaths).

[DarrenMW]

Wonderful! thanks!

I've been thinking most of the evening and this morning about HOW Thomas Richey fits into the Thomas Hollingsworth son question.

I think he HAS to be an illegitimate son for sure (between the death of 1st wife Isabella and his 2nd marriage to Mary) , but no record of his birth still confuses me, as does the 1871 omission of the family.

Thanks again to you and Liz etc that helped yesterday.

I don't wish to outstay my welcome, but I am keen to keep searching as long as you are 

Here you go:

Death Dec qtr 1938

Thomas R. RICHEY aged 73

Brighton 2b 344

 

(Perhaps your grandmother's recollection was a year or so out?  There aren't any other suitable deaths).

[DarrenMW]

Mary HOLLINGSWORTH was at 33 Hermes St with unmarried son Frederick (plus a lodger).  Mary was widowed.  She wrongly (but helpfully) filled out the section on length of marriage and children, which widows didn't need to complete.  The information given was as follows:

36 completed years of marriage
8 children, of whom 6 still living and 2 deceased.


Ok, my sister in law found this out. Another useful piece.

Looks like Bertha (1871) WAS hers, and was born very soon after the mysterious Thomas Richey (probably 1866, maybe 1877/8 depending of what census we believe for accuracy) who was not hers.

[avm228]

I'm going to throw in a complete wild card about Thomas RICHEY, which may turn out to be absolutely unconnected but we have run out of leads for London-born candidates for him at the moment.  I bear in mind the odd clues pointing to the North-East: the mysterious "Durham connection" and the mention of Middlesbrough in Mary HOLLINGSWORTH's 1901 census entry (tenuous I know).

So, what happened after 1871 to the Thomas listed below? Can he be firmly ruled out as being the Thomas RICHEY we are looking for? (Obviously some major family upheaval would be required!)

1871 census: RG10/4890/15/23
Lower East St, Middlesbrough

Patrick RICHY Head Mar 30 Puddler Ireland
Mary do Wife Mar 30 Ireland
Francis do Son 10 Scholar York Middlesbro'
Thomas do Son 5 Scholar York Middlesbro'

[DarrenMW]

Positives:

The name 'Richy'

Thomas aged 5 in 1871, giving him a likely 1866 DOB, which fits exactly with our Thomas Richey

The mysterious link to Mary of Middleboro (does this age match her 1901 census London age?- EDIT- doesn't seem to fit. 'Mary' age in 1901 is given as 42, 'this' mary is given as 30 in 1871...sadly), remember your idea that maybe TWO Marys? perhaps he brought Mary of Middlesboro and the Thomas Richy to London with him? Long shot!

He was lodging in 1881 in Durham (close kind of) with the 'Morrisons'. I know this hasn't been proven, but I think the age, profession and place of birth as Hampshire are 3 super strong factors for a city hundreds of miles away. Not many men in Durham that fitted that criteria in 1881 I don't think.

Is there any reason to think that Thomas Rich(e)y from whatever location, can NOT have been a boy 'taken in' by Thomas Hollingsworth? I mean like an orphan etc. it could explain his retaining the last name.

As you say, it may be easier to try and disproof this young Thomas Richy from M/Boro than it would be to justify him??

I'm going to throw in a complete wild card about Thomas RICHEY, which may turn out to be absolutely unconnected but we have run out of leads for London-born candidates for him at the moment.  I bear in mind the odd clues pointing to the North-East: the mysterious "Durham connection" and the mention of Middlesbrough in Mary HOLLINGSWORTH's 1901 census entry (tenuous I know).

So, what happened after 1871 to the Thomas listed below? Can he be firmly ruled out as being the Thomas RICHEY we are looking for? (Obviously some major family upheaval would be required!)

1871 census: RG10/4890/15/23
Lower East St, Middlesbrough

Patrick RICHY Head Mar 30 Puddler Ireland
Mary do Wife Mar 30 Ireland
Francis do Son 10 Scholar York Middlesbro'
Thomas do Son 5 Scholar York Middlesbro'

[avm228]

Children "taken in" in what we now call adoption (the modern formalities didn't exist then) did often keep their birth names in the 19th century.

Mary is still a matter of great confusion, as the 1911 census information which you have (36 yrs married, though presumably this ended with the date of Robert/Thomas' death which hasn't yet been found) suggests that the 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 Marys must all be the same person. If so, she was certainly very erratic about her personal information.

I'm pretty confident (for what that's worth) that the chap with the MORRISONS in 1881 is the right one, even though that means he was double-counted as he was enumerated in London at the same time.

[DarrenMW]

Yes we agree on the 'Morrisons' link.


The Ireland thing got me thinking. Again, long shot, but what if Thomas Richey was born in Ireland, that could explain why we dont have any birth record of him in 1866, and why there's no 1871 record of the Thomas Hollingsworth family. perhaps they were all abroad?

No factual basis here, just trying to think creatively