Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[avm228]

For your list, the full complement of the 1891 children was as follows (in descending order of age):

Bertha 20
Edward 15 b Essex
Mary 11
Richard 10 (prob. same child as W aged 8 days in 1881)
Frederick 9
Florence 4
Alfred 1

all b Clerkenwell except Edward.

[avm228]

On 1 July 1906 Cecilia HOLLINGSWORTH (26) married Francis James BRINE at St James Pentonville, Clerkenwell.

Cecilia's address was given as 32 Hermes St.  Her father was Robert HOLLINGSWORTH, a book-binder.

NB Given Cecilia's age at marriage and in the 1901 census, I believe the 1881 census entry for daughter "C" Hollingsworth as aged 11 is likely to be an incorrect entry for this child.  Perhaps it should say either 1 or 11 months?

[DarrenMW]

The age and birthplace differences for Mary are also a little strange.

We are sure she (or 'a' Mary) had Bertha in summer 1870
in 1881 Mary shows at 24
in 1891 Mary is listed as 40
In 1901 she is listed as 42 by which time Bertha is 31!

For your list, the full complement of the 1891 children was as follows (in descending order of age):

Bertha 20
Edward 15 b Essex
Mary 11
Richard 10 (prob. same child as W aged 8 days in 1881)
Frederick 9
Florence 4
Alfred 1

all b Clerkenwell except Edward.

[avm228]

Yes, Mary is all over the place, to say the least.  In 1901 she suddenly decided she was born in Middlesbrough!  I haven't yet given her enough thought to decide whether there is likely to be more than one Mary, or whether it's all the same person and the census entries are just chaotic

NB We don't actually know who Bertha's mother was - only her birth cert can tell you that.  There's quite a gap between her birth and that of the next know child, Edward b abt 1876 Walthamstow.

[DarrenMW]

So it seems almost certain that Thomas Hollingsworth had

3 daughters with Isabella until 1860
no more issue from 1860-1866 when Isabella dies

Remarries with Mary (not sure when)
issue 7 children up to between 1870 and 1891.

The 1860-1866 gap is noticeable as a year period without him fathering a child is huge when viewed against the rest of his life.

And somewhere in the 1866-1868 period he acquires Thomas Richey?

[avm228]

Details for son Edward:

Birth: Edward Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH Jun 1876 West Ham 4a 130

Marriage #1 to Theresa Beatrice COLE, 28 Aug 1904, St Thomas Clapton Common, his father Robert Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH, bookbinder

Marriage #2 to Florence Jane REMINGTON (bride & groom both widowed), 25 Dec 1911, St John Limehouse Fields, Tower Hamlets, his father Robert Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH, (deceased), actor.

[DarrenMW]

3 children with Isabella before her death in 1866


'Acquires' Thomas Richey (born Holborn 1866-1868 period)

Bertha born in 1870
more children afterwards


I am now assuming that after isabellas death, Thomas Hollingsworth (then a  widower) had a relationship with woman unknown (perhaps Ms.Richey) that produced Thomas Richey.

The fact Thomas Richey does not appear any census until 1891 (living with sister Katherine Ferguson in Strand) makes me think he stayed with his mother?

he doesn't appear anywhere on the 1881 census even though he's have been 13-15 years old

He certainly does NOT appear alongside his father Thomas Hollingsworth on any census even as a child which is bizarre. i really don't get it.

[avm228]

Going back to Thomas and Isabel[la], a marriage:

7 Nov 1852, Holy Trinity, Gray's Inn Road

Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH 25 Bachelor, Dramatic artist, son of Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH, Dramatic artist

and

Isabel TAYLOR 24 Spinster, daughter of James TAYLOR, bookseller

both of Dyers' Buildings, Holborn

[avm228]

3 children with Isabella before her death in 1866


'Acquires' Thomas Richey (born Holborn 1866-1868 period)

Bertha born in 1870
more children afterwards


I am now assuming that after isabellas death, Thomas Hollingsworth (then a  widower) had a relationship with woman unknown (perhaps Ms.Richey) that produced Thomas Richey.

The fact Thomas Richey does not appear any census until 1891 (living with sister Katherine Ferguson in Strand) makes me think he stayed with his mother?

he doesn't appear anywhere on the 1881 census even though he's have been 13-15 years old

He certainly does NOT appear alongside his father Thomas Hollingsworth on any census even as a child which is bizarre. i really don't get it.

If only any of them could be found in 1871...