Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[avm228]

Aaaagh!

1881 census: RG11/352/8/10

28 Northampton Rd, Clerkenwell

Robert HOLLINGSWORTH Head Mar 53 Actor Hants Southampton
Mary do Wife Mar 24 M'sex Limehouse
B do Daur Unm 12 Scholar M'sex Oxford Passage
E do Son Unm 5 Essex Walthamstow
C do Daur Unm 11 M'sex Drury Lane
W do Son Unm 8 days M'sex Clerkenwell

[DarrenMW]

Well, the dates certainly match, as does his age from other census records you all have kindly referred to.

He could well have been in Durham in 1881, as previously considered and back to London for 1891.

the link to Bertha is great...... it would seem he remarried (Mary) and began a new family  (starting with Bertha in 1871)  after Isabella dies in 1866,...is that how you see it?

Many thanks 

Possible new lead: 1891 census shows Tom HOLLINGSWORTH, 64, tie maker, b Southampton, living at 4 Hermes St, Clerkenwell (parish of St Silas, Pentonville) with wife Mary (40 b London) and 7 children aged 1-20. Ref is RG12/226/121/46.

The eldest of the children in the 1891 household is Bertha, 20 b Clerkenwell.

Bertha HOLLINGSWORTH aged "22" married later that year - 24 Oct 1891 - to Arthur Horace BOLT, at St Silas Pentonville.  Address for both given as 4 Hermes St.  Bertha's father was described as Thomas Robert HOLLINGSWORTH, a book binder (matching "our" Thomas' occupation in 1851).

[avm228]

it would seem he remarried (Mary) and began a new family  (starting with Bertha in 1871)  after Isabella dies in 1866,...is that how you see it?

Something like that!  Marriage to Mary not yet found, and she is strangely inconsistent about her age.

Bertha's likely birth is Jun qtr 1870 as Bertha Selina W HOLLINGSWORTH

[DarrenMW]

This one totally confuses me..... wife 24, daughter 12?

Did we take a wrong turn?

Thanks for your patience!

Aaaagh!

1881 census: RG11/352/8/10

28 Northampton Rd, Clerkenwell

Robert HOLLINGSWORTH Head Mar 53 Actor Hants Southampton
Mary do Wife Mar 24 M'sex Limehouse
B do Daur Unm 12 Scholar M'sex Oxford Passage
E do Son Unm 5 Essex Walthamstow
C do Daur Unm 11 M'sex Drury Lane
W do Son Unm 8 days M'sex Clerkenwell

[avm228]

1901 census: RG13/251/177/60

4 Hermes St, Clerkenwell

Robert HOLLINGSWORTH Head M 61 Tie maker Hants Southampton
Mary do Wife M 42 Yorks Middlesbrough
Cecilia do Daur 20 Tie finisher London Clerkenwell
Richard do Son 20 Horsekeeper London Clerkenwell
Frederick do Son 18 Bricklayer labourer London Clerkenwell
Florence do Daur 14 London Clerkenwell
Alfred do Son 11 London Clerkenwell

[avm228]

The 1881 def. says 24 for Mary's age, but either it is just an error or Thomas/Robert has had more than one lady companion after Isabella!.  Also it appears Thomas/Robert was enumerated twice in 1881 (up in Newcastle and down in London). Hmmm...

[DarrenMW]

All along everything shows Robert Hollingsworth to be born around 1827, which would make him 74 ish in 1901, but he is  shown as 61.......


The tie maker from Southampton gives all these listings huge credibility, just a bit of age variance...

as for the children, well, I am still jotting them all down! 

You have been such a  wonderful asset to me today, as have others, and I am continually grateful for all that you are doing for me!

The 1881 def. says 24 for Mary's age, but it must just be an error.  Also it appears Thomas/Robert was enumerated twice in 1881 (up in Newcastle and down in London). Hmmm...

[tazzie]

  Hi all.....

 leave for a few hours and it goes MAD!...

 Do you have alfred Hollingsworth marriage 4 July 1915 St Anne Limehouse

 Alfred Hollingsworth bach28 labourer father Robert    actor
 Florence Emma Marshall spin 22 .
  Tazzie

[DarrenMW]

Welcome back Tazzie....and thank you!...I have merrily added Alfreds wedding to the wonderfully every increasing list!

  Hi all.....

 leave for a few hours and it goes MAD!...

 Do you have alfred Hollingsworth marriage 4 July 1915 St Anne Limehouse

 Alfred Hollingsworth bach28 labourer father Robert    actor
 Florence Emma Marshall spin 22 .
  Tazzie