Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

[avm228]

I don't think there's a marriage.  Thomas/Robert Hollingsworth was of course free to remarry after Isabella's death in 1866, but he doesn't seem to have been too bothered about social niceties - and of course Eliza may already have been married to someone else in any event...

[DarrenMW]

no sighting of Robert Thomas Hollingsworth (Walker) post 1882 at Bodmin Gaol, courtesy HM Navy?

Any such sighting would have serious implications to the theory that he morphs into Thomas Richey circa 1883 (Richeys enlistment in army)


No such sighting would certainly be addition by subtraction!
 

[avm228]

No sightings by me! Unfortunately the National Archives page at http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Naval_prisons suggests that naval prisoners' records have not survived. (BTW did the record you downloaded explain why he ended up there?).

While I think of it, am I right in remembering that Thomas Richey has not been traced in the 1901 census? If so, did his Army records assist on where he was at that time (South Africa perhaps)?

[DarrenMW]

The reason for his prison term was tough to decipher on is naval record. Something about 'going to shore.' To warrant dismissal from the navy as well as a prison term as a first offence for a young boy, one may assume it was the Captain's wife he mustve taken to shore! 

I will upload onto Ances*** and invite you to view it if that is an option?

Richeys miltary record does list him as being in Sth Africa just prior to his leaving the army in 1895. However this doesnt marry up with his regiments official  movements at the time, which was just prior to the Zulu wars.

Per an army historian, movement between units was fairly commonplace. i need to check further. Family gossip was that he also served in Ireland, something that is missing from his record, although British Army certainly were present in Ireland at that time.

I have no concerte proof of his Army service post 1895 though;yet.

I still feel military after 1895 is highly likely.

[beckton]

Blimey darren where did you get all this infor from.

I hope you can upload them as i would love to see it.

[avm228]

In a fascinating development, Jan has PM'd me to give the details from the recently-arrived birth certificate for Thomas Robert Hollingsworth WALKER, who was born on 23 May 1864 at 10 Brookes Market, St Andrew Holborn - parents' details given as "Robert WALKER, comedian, and Eliza formerly PICKFORD". I have added these details to the timeline on page 14 of this thread.

Brookes Market no longer has an active market, but still exists: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/738853

[DarrenMW]

i saw that, and honestly didnt know what to make of it.
I certainly think its our guy, with Mr Hollingsworth assuming yet another alias.
What are your thoughts Anna?

I'll fetch the gin and vodka!

[avm228]

Agreed it's the same guy/family - helpfully the birthdate is exactly right for the Robert HOLLINGSWORTH whose naval records you have and who was on the Impregnable in 1881.

But PICKFORD? As if we didn't have enough surnames going on! From Jan's discoveries of the births of Alice and Eliza in the 1850s (both as WALKER with middle name Hollingsworth) it appears that our thespian's unofficial family were using WALKER from an early stage. But of course SMITH then appears as their surname in the 1861 census and as Bertha's mother's supposed maiden name in 1870.

If they were trying to cover their tracks, they did a good job .

Mine's a Bloody Mary...

[DarrenMW]

same birthdate as the navy lad Robert Hollingsworth!