Thomas Richey and kin 1914 and earlier

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EVENTS IN THE 1870S

1870 (21 Mar): Birth of Bertha Selina Walker HOLLINGSWORTH, mother's name given as Sarah Eliza nee SMITH

1871 census

12 Crawford Passage, Clerkenwell: RG10/379/40/73

Robert SMITH Head M 44 bookbinder Southampton
Eliza do Wife M 35 Shoreditch
Emily do Daur [age illegible] bookfolder Shoreditch
Kate do Daur 15 Holborn
Eliza do Daur 14 Strand
Alice do Daur 12 Strand
Ellen do Daur 10 Strand
Robert do Son 6 Holborn
Bertha do Daur 1 Holborn

1871 (21 Sep): Marriage of Emily HOLLINGSWORTH to Charles MOODY in Bethnal Green, her father Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH, book binder

1874 (Sep qtr): Death of Eliza HOLLINGSWORTH, aged 39, West Ham

1876 (29 Mar): Birth of Edward Thomas HOLLINGSWORTH at Maryland Rd, Walthamstow to Thomas R HOLLINGSWORTH, bookbinder, and Mary Helen nee HILL.

1876 (Jun qtr): Death of Eliza HOLLINGSWORTH, aged 19, West Ham

1877 (approx): Birth of Sidney, poss. illegit. child of Catharine/Katharine HOLLINGSWORTH, Leytonstone (he appears in her family as FERGUSON in 1881-1901 but was born before her marriage) [not found]

1878 (Dec qtr): Marriage of Catharine E HOLLINGSWORTH to Alfred FERGUSON, Holborn

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EVENTS IN THE 1880s

1880 (approx): Birth of Cecilia/Mary*, Drury Lane or Clerkenwell [*NB Not the Mary Cecilia SMITH registered Holborn 1879 who had the wrong parents & died in infancy]

1881 census (1)

28 Northampton Rd, Clerkenwell: RG11/352/8/10

Robert HOLLINGSWORTH Head Mar 53 Actor Hants Southampton
Mary do Wife Mar 24 M'sex Limehouse
B do Daur Unm 12 Scholar M'sex Oxford Passage
E do Son Unm 5 Essex Walthamstow
C do Daur Unm 11* M'sex Drury Lane [*prob in fact either 1 yr or 11mo]
W do Son Unm 8 days M'sex Clerkenwell

1881 census (2)

6 Brunswick Place, Newcastle upon Tyne: RG11/5059/131/25

[Lodging with a MORRISON family, along with 2 other actors]

Thos. HOLLINGWORTH Boarder Mar 54 Actor Southampton

1881 census (3)

Vessels: Impregnable

[In a long list]

R. HOLLINGSWORTH Boy 2nd cl. Unm 16 St Giles M'sex

1881 census (4)

St Catherine's Home, Ventnor, IOW:  RG11/1184/97/44

Alice HOLLINGSWORTH Patient Unm 22 Bookfolder London


1881 (Jun qtr): Birth reg of Richard HOLLINGSWORTH, Holborn (likely to be the 8-day-old “W” from the 1881 census)

1882 (Mar qtr): Death of Alice E.M. HOLLINGSWORTH aged 24, Isle of Wight
 
1882 (Sep qtr): Birth reg of Frederick HOLLINGSWORTH, Holborn

1887 (Jun qtr): Birth reg of Florence HOLLINGSWORTH, Holborn

1889 (Sep qtr): Birth reg of Alfred HOLLINGSWORTH, Holborn

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EVENTS IN THE 1890s

1891 census

4 Hermes St, Clerkenwell: RG12/226/121/46

Tom HOLLINGSWORTH Head M 64 Tie maker Hants Southampton
Mary do Wife 40 Tie maker London N.K.
Bertha do 20 Tie maker Clerkenwell
Edward do 15 Horse minder Essex
Mary do 11 Scholar Clerkenwell
Richard do 10 Scholar Clerkenwell
Frederick do 9 Scholar Clerkenwell
Florence do 4 Scholar Clerkenwell
Alfred do 1 Scholar Clerkenwell

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1900 ONWARDS

1901 census

4 Hermes St, Clerkenwell: RG13/251/177/60

Robert HOLLINGSWORTH Head M 61 Tie maker Hants Southampton
Mary do Wife M 42 Yorks Middlesbrough
Cecilia do Daur 20 Tie finisher London Clerkenwell
Richard do Son 20 Horsekeeper London Clerkenwell
Frederick do Son 18 Bricklayer labourer London Clerkenwell
Florence do Daur 14 London Clerkenwell
Alfred do Son 11 London Clerkenwell

1904 Robert HOLLINGSWORTH (snr) enters Holborn Workhouse, Shoreditch

1907 (Dec qtr): Death of Robert HOLLINGSWORTH (snr) in Holborn Workhouse, Shoreditch

[DarrenMW]

Thomas Richey lists his father on only 2 noted occasions;

1) Military paperwork 'Father- Robert Richie- actor'

2) 1915 marriage cert 'Father- Robert Thomas Richey - actor'


always lists Next of kin as 'Catherine Hollingsworth Ferguson' as 'sister', with whom he resided in 1891 census @ Strand , London.

Catherine is proven daughter of Ths Hollingsworth.

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on the 1911 census, Thomas Richey resides at 16,Maiden lane, London, WC2, occupying one 'flat'

He gives his relationship to head of household as 'son', but is only one listed.

That raises 3 points:

a) is his parent owner of the entire building, or merely the 'renter of the particular flat'?

b) was that parent just not home on census night?

c) Who is the parent? their name was be a huge breakthru

I think we looked at this before? His parent (though that could include step-parent) would have been the usual occupier, though one cannot tell whether as owner or tenant. Flats in this location are likely to have been leased to tenants and owned by a substantial landowner.

I think it likely that the usual occupier was his stepmother Mary HOLLINGSWORTH, who I recall was found elsewhere on 1911 census night with her son Frederick. Robert H was of course deceased by this point.

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Looking at the chronology above, and taking into account the fact that Jan has said that Mary HOLLINGSWORTH's maiden name was HILL, here is another candidate for the missing birth of Mary/Cecilia (aged 11 in 1891 & 20 in 1901):

Birth, Sep qtr 1879

Marie Cecilia L HILL

Islington 1b 324


Any thoughts welcome!

EDIT: No, she can be ruled out - appears elsewhere in 1881/1891

[DarrenMW]

Thomas Richey links to Hollingsworth...

1) Richey lists Catherine (nee Hollingsworth) Ferguson as his next of kin on all military papers for many years.

2) Richey is residing, in 1891, with Catherine Hollingsworth Ferguson & family at Strand, London.

3) Thomas Robert Hollingsworth Snr fathered Thomas Robert Hollingsworth jnr..... Richey was named Thomas Robert, and named his 1st son Robert Thomas...circumstantial i know, but still.

4) Hollingsworths were actors. In 1911 Richey living 16, maiden lane directly behind Adelphi Theatre, occupation 'Theatrical Stage Hand'

5)  Richey daughter (my grandmother) vividly recalls a Granny Hollingsworth

6) Richey lists his father on military papers and marriage cert as Robert Richie, or Robert Richey - actor.

7) Richey lists his place of birth as St Albans, Holborn, London, which is prime Hollingsworth territory.

Im rushing here, but this is off top of my head...

[DarrenMW]

reply #147 is very important, as it shows the combining of the Smith and Hollingsworth broods.

At one point, both 'mans' children are with Mr.Smith, at a different stage both 'mans' children are with Mr.Hollingsworth.

I think they are the same person, living under two guises. Discounting this would mean we believe that messrs Smith and Hollingsworth were separate people, born same year in Southampton who raised eachothers children at some point while each naming ALL the children as their own produce.

Jan, I know you feel they are two separate men, and of course I'm happy to explore that 

Anna et all,....opinions solicited.

thanks!