Mary Farrell of Philadelphia?

[*Sandra*]

Thank you Grub. Thought I was going cuckoo again when I could'nt find it but I see the record you mean now.   This version has the spelling Patrick Farell born 1815 in Jordan - how strange. The one I was looking for yesterday said Philadelphia Ward 26 Dist 86 (2nd Enum), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.  Does anyone know if there were 2 seperate census done in 1870, I am trying to understand 2 Enum ?

The passport application with the details of the son Lawrence gave Patrick's Death as 1894.
When we look at that, his birth was given as 1839 and his parents were listed as Patrick and Ellen, so on this 1870 census Grub has found for us - is this the next generation back !!! ?? Patrick could be but Hellen to young.  If it is our Patrick the birth date has now varied 1815 - 1839 !!
The children look exactly right - apart from Annie. Really need more pieces to the jig-saw !!
This is very weird !!!

Philadelphia Ward 26 District 86,
Birthplace Jordan
Patrick Farell 55
Hellen Farell 42
Willn Farell 22 John Farell 11 Mary Farell 9 Willn Farell 4 Laura Farell 2

I have found the William and Mary who live next door and traced them back to 1860 on the off chance that Patrick was next door but no such luck. 
 
 

[*Sandra*]

Had to go away and have a think about that 1870 Census but that isn't the same record as the ones I can see individually - the penny has just dropped that the names are written differently and the age of Patrick is way out anyway.
The District is the same but the spelling of the names, ages etc are different. Each family member is the only one listed on each record.
I wonder if there were 2 census taken or if the 2 Enum is the second half of the same district.
Also a few posts ago in reply 16 -  I found the death record of a Lawrence Farrell son of Patrick and Ellen Farrell which shows us there were 2 families of similar name.

The daft thought going through my head -  is that the second one could be Patricks father but with a second wife - age gap in the children on that record ? At 55 years old - if yours was born 1839 - it would be possible !! Another brain-teaser !!
 
Philadelphia Ward 26 Dist 86 (2nd Enum), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Patrick Farrell 40
Ellen Farrell 40
John Farrell 12
Mary Farrell 9
Ann Farrell 5
William Farrell 4
Lawrence Farrell 2

[*Sandra*]

Trying to answer my own questions:-

It would seem that in 1870 there were two census enumerations taken in Philadelphia. The index to the first enumeration is Philadelphia, PA 1870 Census Index. 929.3748 P53p. Look at the addenda in the front of this index for Wards 27 and 28. There is no index to the second enumeration. There are, however, descriptions on microfilm of many of the second enumeration boundaries. These boundaries are also shown graphically in a series of drawings at the Map Department.
Apparently the 1870 census was filmed twice. The second filming (2nd) is listed first and is usually easier to read. However, since some of the records were faded
or lost between the first and second filmings, it is better to search the first filming
(1st) whenever the material on the second filming (2nd) is too light to
read. 


http://www.rootschat.com/links/089z/

[bullfrog1995]

Sorry I never responded, for some reason my e-mail stop sending notifications.

That does seem like such a brain teaser. I wonder if those could be his parents with him.

[*Sandra*]

Some of those 1870 Philadelphia census are very difficult to read, some not at all.  Seems strange the names are more or less exactly the same, think it must be the same family just transcribed differently on the second enumeration. 

[bullfrog1995]

I contacted them and they sent me an e-mail to another place. So I e-mailed the other place and I got some great stuff.

A photo of Lawrence from 1914
An obituary
A funeral mass newspaper clipping
A short biography

They also suggested I contact the Province of the Congregation of the Holy Ghost by phone. So I called and I talked to a woman who said she would look and see if she could find anything!

[*Sandra*]

Wow. That is fantastic. Did it give you any other information about his family background ?
Anymore clues ?

[bullfrog1995]

Not really any new information on his family background. I just learned a litte about his life, like that when he was younger he worked at a large department store in Philadelphia. Not much though, but it's great stuff to have! Hopefully The Province of the Congregation of the Holy Ghost Archives has some information.

[*Sandra*]

Was that date of death 8 March 1934 correct ?