NASH'S Flat, (near Mudgee) NSW

[majm]

1878/9 Nash's Flat

SCIFILIT, John;  residence at NF

MELVILLE, William; residence at Redbank
MELVILLE, William, residence at NF

Somewhere among those "NF" names there should be a way to find perhaps the Land Grants or the Conditional Purchases

Fingers crossed... for Jeff 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Nash’s Flat 

Guesstimate on possible location...

Very late err very very early  here, but ... my M i L (years and years older than me, thus reads herself to sleep, and former resident of Mudgee,) has just phoned about Nash’s Flat ... she thinks it is the flood proned land at end of Cox & Court Streets, Mudgee, nearest cross St, being SHORT St.   (Cox St being the clue, re early settlers ... William Cox).

As my OH and I need to be “on the road” heading to M i L’s and further over the next few days, here’s the newspaper clues:

SMH Saturday 27 March 1858
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13008077
Sale of acreage at Nash’s Flat, adjoining the township of Mudgee.  (as reported from a Mudgee paper  )

SMH Saturday 20 October 1860
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13047510
6 suburban lots (5 to approx 7 acres) near Nash’s Flat and near O’Brien’s and Kerney’s portions # O-III to O-VIII
See Govt Gazette No. 177

SMH Saturday 26 July 1884  (Sellers CROSSING & COX !!, HENCE the Guesstimate, knowing one of those Mudgee maps online carries date of 1884)
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13571682
MANY lots including
TOWN ALLOTMENTS and a separate heading SUBURBAN
7 acres at Nash’s Flat


Also, check out this following link (which could have local history for Mudgee ..I have not checked it, only just knew about it from phone call...  http://www.mudgeehistory.com.au/

Cheers, JM (and OH and M i L)

[jeffreyjoecarroll]

Again, thanks to all (including OH & MiL) for your interest, information & hints. The family history frustrations do not seem so bad sometimes when you get as much interest & assistance from the Rootschat ‘family’.

I have scoured the parish/county/town survey maps and have found Nash's portions 138A & 139A. They are south of the town, nearish to Waterworks Gully and what is now Sawpit Road. The other NASH properties are spread all over the parish. I've had no luck finding any reference to Nash's Flat or the name Moses LAW however.

Of the names you suggested as clues JM, I've only located SCIFILIT/SCIFLEET listed on the maps - not NE of the town though. COX family members owned LARGE areas all around the region – one large parcel, WNW of the town does adjoin portion 62 which seems to have been purchased by an O’BRIEN. The newspaper articles are great and I wonder if Moses may have been involved in one of the earlier purchases (he had died by the 1884 sale). Placing him is Short St in 1870 is a surprise…....I would have thought he would have already been farming by this stage (15 years in the area) - there is the possibility that this was the farm or they had 2 properties. Can't locate a Market SQUARE, however Market STREET is close by Short St (though NW of the town). Maybe I should put aside the NE references for the moment.

Sue (sparrett), as mentioned above, the Nash’s seem to have had land spread out all over the place so hold off on doing more work in that direction.

mudgeehistory.com.au has been unable to assist but have given me the details of a local who may know. I’m now awaiting an email reply. Stay tuned.

EDIT - A possibly related detail has been staring me in the face and I didn't see it.  A family member - reading these posts -  has pointed out that Moses' wife Celia (nee OLIVER) had a nephew called William OLIVER. If it is the same person as the one that comes up in the above posts and he was in residence prior to 1855, then it may explain a family mystery as to why the family went to Mudgee and not to Maitland where other family members have settled.

My best wishes to you all.
Jeff

[majm]

That's good OLIVER news Jeff,

Have you considered looking for Blackert ... not just on the maps,  perhaps Clara's parents were early settlers ... perhaps descendants still in the Mudgee district.

" Scifleet" 
On 1903 roll ... several at Mudgee, mostly with address of Lewis St, but one at Horatio St...

"Blackert"
Of course Clara was at NF, and from NSW BDM for Clara's birth, I'm confident that in 1903  Clara's mum was at Marshfield, Mudgee..  (Clara's dad's address just shows as Mudgee)

Umm.... Marshfield .... Nash's Flat ...

Re "Sawpit Rd" & "Waterworks Gully"  ... that's out near "Spring Flat" ...  quite the opposite direction from William Oliver at Pipeclay ! 

Fingers crossed

Cheers,  JM

[Robert Coble]

Have you considered looking for Blackert ... not just on the maps,  perhaps Clara's parents were early settlers ... perhaps descendants still in the Mudgee district.

There is still some Blackert at Gulgong from Mudgee there he died in 2009 so there should be some descendants there. 

[majm]

Hi there,  NASH'S FLAT ...

Back to the Parish Maps .... on the Second Sheet (14761201, c1896),  there's lots of details about parish numbers, purchasers etc. and notes to draftsmen and others using those plans when they were working drawings in the Surveyor Gen's Sydney office.  I expect this particular drawing/plan/map would have been based on earlier drawings, perhaps back into the 1860's.....

Purchasers names include M Nash, (yes, there's full administrative particulars/details (1518, 158, 203 1527)for his lot  3 acres,  138A and his 4 acres  139A.  He also purchased a tad over 2 acres as noted on that drawing (10W  28.1527R).  There's also purchasers:  H W Oliver, Catherine Scifleet etc.

Also, on google map .... Marshfield Road, Glen Ayr (near Mudgee) would be nearer the Waterworks and Sawpit etc. 

Also, online newspapers, the NLA are commencing to digitise on their main site, the Maitland Mercury .... not yet finalised  the 1860's but pre-alert for another sighting of "Nash's Flat" ...
The Maitland Mercury... Thursday 10 April 1862, page 3. News 3091 words
... bite of a Snake.-LoBt week, as the daughter of Mr. 0. Clifton, Nash's Flat, was sitting at needle ... a.m.    It could be a mishmash of several articles, so I have not followed up for CLIFTON .... but it does seem to show that people were settled at Nash's Flat ...

Cheers,  JM (with help from M i L, yet again in amazement of the Internet ! ... and the amount of detail on those parish maps !)

[jeffreyjoecarroll]

Thanks Robert & JM!! I had to shy off over the weekend and spend some time with living family members.......shall resume the hunt this week with the hints you suggest.

As mentioned before, I did see the SCHIFLEET name on another of the maps - promising. Will also look at those newspapers - The name CLIFTON jumps at me, as Moses & Celia's daughter Mary married (2nd marriage) a Charles CLIFTON in Mudgee in 1858 (to my knowledge, he had no children prior to the marriage and they didn't have any). He was a farmer, dying at Nash's Flat in 1863 - heart disease.

Again, thank you so much. There are so many questions with this family....I thought the location of Nash's Flat would be an easy one.

Best regards,
Jeff

[majm]

Hi there,

Online at NSW State Records,

Deceased Estate files indexed for two with surname Scifleet, both from Mudgee, alas both dated 1904, index doesn't provide details ... but perhaps the website has other indexes on Jeff's family forebears, fingers crossed  as there is index for land grants to a William OLIVER from as early as 1835 .... (alas no mention of which district in NSW) 

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/keyname_search.asp

Cheers,  JM

[jeffreyjoecarroll]

A family member seems to have had some luck finding Nash's Flat. A 5 year old post on another site lists its whereabouts, calling it NASH FLAT.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/aus-nsw-pilliga/2005-02/1109285063

I've searched all the Parish maps but this area is devoid for the most part of the names of purchasers/owners, it only has lot numbers. The corresponding information available doesn't list the LAW name however. I'll certainly investigate further and shall post any findings (shall leave the post open for present). A SCIFLEET is close by JM and it looks like you may have been right about the lcoation.

As is usual in searching the family history, one query or answer poses another question and I will now also follow up on William OLIVER as I feel sure he is the link to bringing the Hampton & Law [nee Oliver] family to the Mudgee district.  This post is closely related to another I have about the Hampton's in Mudgee - another elusive query. I'm looking forward to actually going to Mudgee and seeing if I can get any answers at the scene.

Thank you one and all for all your suggestions and assistance.

Jeff