Rev. Frederick Olinthus Sutton (b. c1861) in Ireland and Charles Edward Sutton

[Beaver13]

The Census of 1901 lists a Frederick Olinthus Sutton in the Kingston-on-Thames District of Surrey, as  being 40 years of age and born in Ireland and shows his occupation to be that of a Clergyman in the Church of England.

It is thought that he may have had a brother named Charles Edward Sutton, also believed to have been born in Ireland and who died in 1936.  He is known to have been employed in Ireland and, unlike his brother, may never have settled in England.  He is said to have died in 1936.

Any help in tracing the birth place and actual date and place of birth of Frederick Olinthus Sutton (born c. 1861 in Ireland) and even more importantly, finding his relationship if any) with Charles Edward Sutton would be deeply appreciated. Thank you!

[aghadowey]

Any idea when (possible) brother Charles Edward Sutton was born?
There is a Charles J. E. Sutton (age 73) death Jan./Mar.1936 Rathdown registration district (so born c1863 just before start of civil registration) but I haven't found him in 1911 census yet.
Civil index also shows Charles James Edward Sutton marriage Oct./Dec.1836 Dublin South registration district.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=collectionDetails

[aghadowey]

There's also this reference to what looks like C.J.E. Sutton's Will: "Testament of Charles James Edward Sutton, 8 Gresham Terrace, Kingstown, Dublin. Dated 24 February 1934" See website.

[shanew147]

have you located Frederick on the English 1911 census ?

this often gives a more detailed place of birth


Shane

[mosiefish]

Hi,

It would appear he was born Dublin, Dublin   

Mo

[shanew147]

Hi,

It would appear he was born Dublin, Dublin   

Mo

I would presume from that he meant Dublin City, county Dublin, which narrows it down a little bit, but still leaves quite a number of parishes, and a large population.

Many Dublin City church records are available on http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/  I didnt see any immediate promising matches but the website is a work-in-progress so it would be worth checking back to see if there are any updates.

Did Frederick marry ?

His marriage cert would give his father's name and occupation which could prove useful in establishing a location for the family, to narrow down which parishes may have been local to them.


Shane

[Beaver13]

Dear Mo; Aghadowey and Shane147,

Thank you very much indeed for all your responses to my posting. When put together, the information and the lead to the Will & Testament of C. J. E. Sutton that you have provided, combined with one personal message (not shown above), has enabled me to confirm that Charles Edward Sutton was, indeed, a one time chief executive of Guinness Brewery in Dublin and, even more importantly to my study, that he was also the brother of the Rev Frederick Olinthus Sutton. Thus, by your combined efforts, my enquiry has been fully answered.

The wonderful Spirit of Helpfullness shines bright on the Rootschat website and is deeply appreciated.  Thank you so very much and may God Bless you All for your kindness in devoting your time in this way!!

David (Beaver13)

[Oaks and Acorns]

Charles Edward Sutton was, indeed, a one time chief executive of Guinness Brewery in Dublin

Might be worth an e-mail to the archivist at Guinness:

http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/somehistory.aspx

Dara.

[Beaver13]

  ;DHello Dara

Thank you very much for your suggestion.  I have telephoned the Archivist at the Guinness Brewery in Dublin, who has now confirmed that Charles Edward Sutton was their managing director from 1919 to 1927 and that he died in 1936.

This, combined with all  the replies posted on this message forum has confirmed that this Charles Edward was indeed, the brother of the Rev Frederick Olinthus Sutton.  Thus my enquiry has now been completely and wonderfully answered.

Thank you so very much for your kindness in helping.  This is deeply appreciated!!

With warm good wishes

David (Beaver13)