Richard Roberts b 1827 Chirk

[Gadget]

Just been checking up on Richard Aelxander -  this from a larger listing

6.10 Mary Ellen Stokes 1870 – after 1932

Married  1888,  Richard Alexander Roberts, a coal miner, (1868 – after 1932, b. Chirk).

Had the following known children:

1887 James Donald Stokes, b. Chirk
1889 John Richard, b. Chirk
1891 Joseph, b. Chirk
1893 Alice, b. Normanton
1895 Louisa, b. Normanton
1897 Marie, b. Normanton
1899 Lawrence W, b. Normanton

 
Census locations:

1891 43 Halton Buildings, Halton RG12/2118/154/9 (father John Stokes was living with them)
1901  447 Castleford Rd, Normanton  RG13/4281/56/24

They were still in Normanton in 1932 (listed in a funeral report)

(Just realised that I've not got them from the 1911 yet so had better go searching)

Are these yours, otherwise I'll check on my main computer later?


Mary Ellen Stokes was my great grandmother, Elizabeth's,  sister.  This also means that you're related to the Par(r)ishes. Their mother was Caroline Parish who married John Stokes     


Gadget
 

[Gadget]

This might be of interest - from the same file 

6. John Stokes 1821 – 1900
A coal miner.

Married 23 December 1848, Chirk, Caroline Par(r)ish  (1828 - 1889, b. Black Park, Chirk).

Had the following known children:

1849 Ann, b. Willenhall
1851 Martha, b. Willenhall
1853 Elizabeth, b. Willenhall
1856 James, b. Willenhall
1860 William, b. Willenhall
1862 Louisa, b. Chirk
1864 Caroline, b. Chirk
1868 Susannah, b. Chirk
1870 Mary Ellen, b. Chirk


John Stokes was b. April 1821, Bronygarth,  St Martins. Parents - Edward Stokes, coal miner (1777-1839) and Catherine Jones (1792 to after 1841 - despite masses of searches by my cousin and I and records office staff , we've never found her burial/death)



Gadget 

[Gadget]

This looks like your Martha Evans on the 1841:

New Barrracks, Black Park, Brynkinallt, Chirk
HO10/139/19/9

Evans
John, 75, ag lab, not born county
Elizabeth, 60
Sarah, 30, char woman
Susanna, 12
Samuel, 13
Martha, 9
Frederick, 4
Thomas, 4
Edwin, 8  months
Mary, not born county

All others born county. 

It looks as if Sarah might be her mother but the 1841 didn't give relationships so it's just guessing.


Gadget

[Gadget]

Had a quick look in my Chirk parish records again for any baptisms to the Evans family.

This looks very interesting:

26 January 1837 Frederick Evans, illegitimate son of Anne Evans (servant) , reputed father Richard Roberts. Park Gate.

By 1851, Frederick Evans is lodging in Pontyblew - not far from Black Park but on the Ceiriog. I assume that Martha is now married - not checked yet.

I'm busy for the rest of the day but will try to do some more exploring later on your Richard Roberts


Gadget

[WelshYorkie]

Hi Gadget
Yes they are all my family Aunts ad uncles. Mary Ellen Stokes was my Grandma. Richard A and Mary Ellen went onto have another 5 children the youngest born in 1911. Not sure relationship with James Donald we called him Uncle Jim. John Richard known as Jack went into army died of flue abt 1918. I have Mary Ellen Daughter of John Stokes and Caroline Parish from St Martins Shropshire.

 Will need a bit of time to absorb all the excellent info you have provide. I have more information about the rest of the children of Richard A(Dick)& Mary Ellen if you are interested.
Thanks again Gadget Great stuff
WY

[Gadget]

Hi again WY 

It looks as if we are 2nd cousins, once removed.

I'd love to have more info on Mary Ellen's children. However, we're not allowed to mention living people on the forum so if any of them are alive, please send me a PM (private message)


Gadget

[Gadget]

Goodness, gracious and all that - it looks as if we're maybe related by yet another line 

I see (from Chirk marriages)  that a Richard Roberts (widower)  married a Mary Cash (widow) on 12th  July 1819. The witnesses were Richard Roberts and Jane Cash.

My ancestor Thomas Mates married Ann Cash (3 x grt grandparents) on 8th April 1820 and one of the witnesses was Jane Cash

Sooooooooo, if this was the Richard Roberts and Mary, parents of your Richard Roberts, then we're related via the Cash line as well.


Think I'll go look for more info!


Gadget

[Gadget]

A few excerpts from my great Grandfather Henry Roberts' diary for 1900:


27.05.1900.  The old man Stokes (John Stokes) taken ill this morning bad pain in side and to work tonight if spared.
28.05.1900.  The old man very ill on this date. Mrs. Roberts (Elizabeth Stokes) went to see him he was very ill.
29.05.1900.  Seth (Twigg, I think)came here to say that old man was worse. Mother (Elizabeth Stokes) went to see him.  John Stokes died on this date at 4 oclock Tuesday May 29 1900.
05.06.1900.  At Chirk Station sending Uncle James Stokes and Polly Roberts home to Yorkshire.


Polly Roberts was your grandmother, Mary Ellen 

Note, my Henry Roberts and your Roberts line were from different Roberts lines.


Gadget

[WelshYorkie]

Wow cant take all this info in

I will send you info about the children of Dick and Mary by private message,  one problem don't know how to do it.
If you could point me in the right direction would be appreciated.

So second cousin once removed Is this Richard that married Mary Cash the father of Richard b 1827

Thanks again Gadget I'm in information overload but it is absolutely great
Thanks
WY