Hannah Dolphin

[TonyDolphin]

I have a bit of an enigma as follows:
My great grandfather Thomas Dolphin b.1845 in Aston, Birmingham, UK possibly married one Hannah Massey b.1853 at Cheadle on or about 1872. Or so they state! However on some birth certificates she gives her name as Hannah Dolphin formerly Massey, on another she give Hannah Dolphin formerly Hall. On one census (1881) return she states her name as Annie but subsequent census she gives the name Hannah.
I have searched the marriage records under all the names she used but cannot find any trace of the marriage that cross refers with a registry entry that is the same as one Thomas Dolphin other than one in Dudley in 1876.
This I suspect is not them or they lied about their parents being deceased, also I can find other Dolphin's and Massey's who had similarly called children who lived in Dudley at that time.
To compound matters I cannot find any death record of Hannah Massey/Dolphin/Hall other than one in 1939 in Stockport. But my late father was convinced she was dead before his birth in 1916. I have sent for a copy of that certificate.
Hannah's last appearance is on the 1911 census when she is 56 years of age.
Can anyone help?

[carol8353]

I think that 1876 marriage is perfectly feasible.
They are on the 1881 census at 2 Love Lane Aston, with kids age 3 and 9 mths,just the right sort of gap from having married 5 years before.

Hannah/Ann/Annie are all interchangeable names,so don't worry too much about that.

Carol

[CaroleW]

The 1876 marriage is on West Mids BM website and took place at St Andrews Dudley

If you live in the area - you can look the marriage up in parish records at the records office to save buying the cert

www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

It will give details of Thomas's father which you can compare to what you already know of him

It will also give the same details for Hannah

[TonyDolphin]

I have a copy of the marriage at St Andrews in the parish of Netherston, Dudley, which took place on the 6/09/1876. At that time they stated they both lived at Cradley and that both fathers were deceased. This latter fact I can disprove by other census and birth/death certificates. Thomas’s father died in 1880 and Hannah Massey (if that was her name) was born allegedly in Cheadle. I have her living with her grandparents in 1861 in Cheadle then quite rightly she pops up on the 1881 census at Love lane, Aston, B’ham with a son David and a daughter Jane Annie. I have birth certs for both which prove location and relationships. What I do not know is, where were they both in 1871 – they are not on that census! On David’s birth  cert (b 1878 Lord St, Walsall) Hannah is formerly Massey, declared by Thomas – on Jane’s (b 1880 Love lane Aston) he declares her formerly Hall! Why? How can I prove that the certificate I have for the Dudley marriage is them?
On the cert of marriage 1876, Hannah declares herself as a spinster not ‘widow’ formerly Hall. Thomas declares himself as a bachelor. No ages are given. Where does Thomas get the name Hall from which he uses again on a later child's birth declaration and Massey on my grandfathers.

[carol8353]

Who are the witnesses to that 1876 marriage?

Carol

PS Hall isn't HIS mum's maiden name is it?
My hubby did that- rather than give his mum's maiden name he gave mine once!

[TonyDolphin]

Danniel BUTLER and Mary Ann GOODE, searched the census either side for them - :-( no trace