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Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« on: Saturday 20 February 10 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi, this is 1851 census portion of a Mark family at Strathblane, Stirlingshire, Scotland, but I wonder if someone can make out the towns/villages for William Mark, son John & the houseservant. It certainly looks like Tyrone for the county, but the fact that the scots enumerators weren't great at place names, especially Irish, means misspellings, in this case not helped by the poor quality of the original copy. I have considered for William: Ballyclog, for John: Artrea or Arboe, & the houseservant: Donaghedy or Donaghenry. Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks LS
Tyzack/Tyzick: Sheffield Yorkshire ENG,
Wishaw Lanarkshire SCOT;
Smith: Clifton Conisbrough Yorkshire ENG,
Cromarty shire & Cadder Lanark SCOT.
Firth: Doncaster & Rotherham Yorkshire ENG;
Morrison: Rutherglen & Cadder Lanark SCOT;
McGuire: Shotts West Lothian SCOT;
Mark(s): Tyrone & Antrim IRE &
Balfron Stirling, Paisley Renfrew SCOT.

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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 February 10 18:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I live in Co Down N.Ireland and  have been on google maps and turned up Tynan, Killyboley ,Killylea Road and Kiltybegs. Co.Armagh. There is also on line free
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911.

Hope this is of some help.

Regards
George A.

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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 February 10 18:33 GMT (UK) »
Bit confused by your post, George. The scans are hard to read but it's certainly Tyrone not Armagh.
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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 20 February 10 18:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi

No what I am saying is that the place on the top line looks like Tynan which is in Co.Armagh and the place names I have mentioned are in and around Tynan.

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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 20 February 10 18:47 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately so many Irish townlands/places have the same or similar names.
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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 February 10 22:39 GMT (UK) »
At first I thought it was Tynan, perhaps it is. Though the order on the census suggests, County/shire, village/town, Country. The 2year old daughter Mary was born in Stirlingshire, Campsie. For John, it looks somewhat like Aston or Aiton, but I can't find that on google maps. Unfortunately with the 1861 census onwards, no detail is given except place of birth: Ireland. I have looked at the citation on Ancestry, but as always if the originals are not clear, they don't make an effort at interprating the places & names, but write some weird spelling that makes no sense, though I like Ancestry apart from that. Anyway thanks for the input, may be more that have someting to add.
Regards LSmith. 
Tyzack/Tyzick: Sheffield Yorkshire ENG,
Wishaw Lanarkshire SCOT;
Smith: Clifton Conisbrough Yorkshire ENG,
Cromarty shire & Cadder Lanark SCOT.
Firth: Doncaster & Rotherham Yorkshire ENG;
Morrison: Rutherglen & Cadder Lanark SCOT;
McGuire: Shotts West Lothian SCOT;
Mark(s): Tyrone & Antrim IRE &
Balfron Stirling, Paisley Renfrew SCOT.

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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 20 February 10 22:48 GMT (UK) »
I enlarged the bits and am fairly certain it is Tyron, ___, Ireland in each case.
First one (William) looks like B_ll___ so might start with Bally/Balli, etc.
Next one (John) starts with 'A'
Third one (Agnes) starts with 'D'
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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 February 10 02:53 GMT (UK) »
This is what Ancestry's citation shows. They don't have permission from New Register House Edinburgh to show the actual image. My image was from ScotP.

 William   ......   Lyron, Bellsclaz, Ireland

   John    .......   Tyour, Aston, Ireland

  Agnes  ........   Tyron, Dowmohed, gluland

Pretty strange! I added a more blown up section of the image, but it's probably
not much help, but thanks again for the input. Lindsay

Tyzack/Tyzick: Sheffield Yorkshire ENG,
Wishaw Lanarkshire SCOT;
Smith: Clifton Conisbrough Yorkshire ENG,
Cromarty shire & Cadder Lanark SCOT.
Firth: Doncaster & Rotherham Yorkshire ENG;
Morrison: Rutherglen & Cadder Lanark SCOT;
McGuire: Shotts West Lothian SCOT;
Mark(s): Tyrone & Antrim IRE &
Balfron Stirling, Paisley Renfrew SCOT.

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Re: Hard to read Northern Ireland towns/villages
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 February 10 08:46 GMT (UK) »
William   ......   Lyron, Bellsclaz, Ireland

   John    .......   Tyour, Aston, Ireland

  Agnes  ........   Tyron, Dowmohed, gluland
Not even close!

William- Tyron, B_ll___[ends in g or y?] ,Ireland
John- Tyron, A___, Ireland
Agnes- Tyron, D_____, Ireland

Here's a link to parish maps for Co. Tyrone which list townlands in each parish (scroll down below parish maps to see alphabetcal list of townlands)-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tyrone/parishes/tl/clogher_tl.html
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