Robert Knox

[trish1120]

Marriage;
Robert KNOX, December 1862, Ashton, 8d 674
On the same page Elizabeth SCOTT

Only possibility I can find.

[trish1120]

1871 Census
Felton, Northumberland
RG10/5169/10/14

ELIZABETH KNOX, 45, Head, Widow, Laundress, born Felton
James SCOTT, 74, Father, Widow, Retired Plumber, born Felton

So Robert must have died between 1863 and 1871.

[sidneyreilly]

Thanks for all of that Trish.  I already had the info from the census and marriage records etc.  The one thing that was confusing me was which Elizabeth Scott was married to Robert Knox and was also the mother of Jane Scott Knox, John Scott Knox and Euphence Knox.  Because of the baptism records for all three children which name their mother as Elizabeth Crozier I had assumed that their mother must have been an ELizabeth Crozier Scott - most likley taking the middle name Crozier from her own mother's maiden name.  This assumption was helped when I found a baptism record for an Elizabeth Crozier Scott in Felton - her parents were named as Edward Scott and Mary. 

At this point it all looked quite clear and logical.  But then I struggled to find the records that I needed. Edward & Mary Scott with a daughter named Elizabeth (born in 1826) do not show up anywhere near Felton, in fact the only record that I can find of them is the baptism record for Elizabeth Crozier Scott.

Yesterday I decided to work backwards, the Elizabeth Scott that I am looking for is certainly the one who remarried to Robert Asher in 1877 as on the 1901 census we find Elizabeth Asher  (widow) living with her son Robert Scott Knox.  She is also the Elizabeth Knox who is on the 1861 census, listed as a seamans wife with a daughter named Jane.  There is no trace of an Elizabeth Scott or Knox born in Felton in 1826 on the 1851 Census.

This now brings me to the 1861 census and the Elizabeth Knox (Widow) living with her father James Scott.  I had looked at this before and discounted her as I was looking for an Elizabeth with a father named Edward. However after thinking about it I now feel that she must be the correct Elizabeth, everything seems to fit, Born 1826,  in Felton & Maiden name Scott.

The only strange thing that I still can not work out is this: Why on the baptism records of Jane, John & Euphence Scott Knox is their mother named Elizabeth Crozier?! Two ideas here - Crozier is the middle name (most likley from mother's maiden name) or Elizabeth Scott was married to somebody called Crozier prior to marrying Robert Knox (assuming she did marry him).  I have looked for a marriage record for Elizabeth Scott to ? Crozier and can't find anything.   Still in the back of my mind I have the baptism record for Elizabeth Crozier Scott, born Felton 1826??!!

Finally turning to Robert Knox, there is nothing at all to be found relating to him, this is most likely explained by his occupation of seaman. I am back in the UK next week for a few days and will be going to the Nat Archives to check the seamans tickets records and will hopefully find him there. I am also going to order the marriage cert for Elizabeth to Robert Asher (hopefully find out her fathers correct name) and I will also order the baptism record for Elizabeth Crozier Scott in case there has been a transcription mistake on there.

Thanks
Mike

[trish1120]

Hi Mike,
I think you have sorted most of it out incredibly well.

1841 Census
Felton, Northumberland
HO107/830/3/Felton

James SCOTT, 40, Tinsmith
Uphance, 35
ELIZABETH, 15
Edward, 6
James, 2
All born in County

1851 Census there is James 50 , Uphance 47, Edward 16, James 12, Uphence aged 6
HO107/2419/17/27

1861 Census, James 61, Tin Plate Worker
Uphance 56, James 22, Uphance, 15 +
John SCOTT, 28, Son, Mar, Shoemaker, born Felton
John WALTON, 8, Grandson, born New Hartley
James WALTON, 6, Grandson, born New Hartley

So where is John in 1841 Census when he would have been age 8ish
He is Christened 06 October 1833, Felton, Parents James and Euphemia.(Ancestry) on on IGi has Sister Jane 1828.

Who are the Walton Grandchildren?
Are they Elizabeths? Or Janes?
Or was their another daughter that doesn't appear on 1841 Census?
Was James Snrs Mother a Crozier?
Sorry more questions

[sidneyreilly]

I am not sure who the Walton Grandchildren are,  not Mary's because I think I found a marriage for her and it was not Walton. Most likley not Elizabeth because she married a Knox so most Likely they are Janes or a daughter we do not know of. But to be honest the Walton children are not really of interest.

I would really like to find a marriage record (in felton) for Elizabeth Scott to Robert Knox and also a reason for the Scott Knox children's baptism records stating the mothers name as ELizabeth Crozier??!!

James senior's mothers name was Mary Sill so it does not come from there.... I did wonder if he was married earlier and then widowed but Elizabeth was born after his (suposed) marriage to Uphence Howey although I can not find any records of the marriage or of Uphence....

Ho hum..... in the Spring I will be heading up to Woodhorn to check all the records....

[knoxie]

hi
 dont t know if may be   by chance we might have  the  same  robert knox
 im a  knox ( from south affrica but living in the uk now ) have just been givin
my fam tree and i  have a   robert knox married   isabella craw (they were border foke near belford) they had a son and daughter therer son robert knox was born  5 august 1845 died in northhumberland jan 17 1910 there daughter isabella knox married robert sinclair but no dates for her birth or death or marrage she was also in newcastle on tyne

[knoxie]

hi my name is  natalie  knox  im the  great  great  great  great ( i think thats  right) of  robert knox who   was  married to  jane mcarther  i  have   done  a  fam tree on ancecery .com and  have   gone  back  to the  late 1700 but  have    come to  a  stand  still  my  great  grand  dad  was james the  brother of  robert that  you are  al talking  about   i have  up loaded  a part of my tree  for you to  see

look forward to  hearing  from you