Robert Knox

[sidneyreilly]

I am trying to find information about a Robert Knox, born in the early 1800's maybe around the Felton area. He was married to an Elizabeth Crozier Scott and they had two children:

Jane Scott Knox
John Scott Knox

Robert Knox was a seaman - ANy help or info would be most appreciated.

[lizdb]

Tell us what you have already - have youfound him on any censuses? Date of marriage? births of children?
sounds like you may have all this, in which case I am not sure what else can be found easily!
you could see if the Local Record Office has any surviving Ships records.

[garstonite]

Hiya Sidney....there are 3 Felton results on Multimap..
HEREFORD
BRISTOL
NORTHUMBERLAND
Which one was your Robert Knox from ?.....allan

ADDED....I found these but 1862 seems a little late  if Robert was born early 1800`s

on freebmd ..marriage dec qtr 1862 Robert Knox to Elizabeth Scott       Ashton 8d 674
cheshirebmd  Robert Knox to Elizabeth Scott in Christ church    Ashton under Lyne in 1862      Tameside CE1/3/175

[sidneyreilly]

He would most likely be from Northumberland...

[sidneyreilly]

Here is all the info that I have so far:

Here is all I have found out so far. Am planning to go to the Nat Archives and search records of seamen.  Any suggestions most welcome !!   Smiley



Facts & assumptions about the Scott Family





   1. There is no sign of an Elizabeth Scott born 1826 in Felton on the 1851 Census.



   1. There is no sign of an Elizabeth Knox born 1826 in Felton on the 1851 Census



   1. There is a baptism for a Elizabeth Crozier Scott in Felton in 1826



   1. There is a baptism for a Jane Scott Knox in Felton in 1852



   1. There are two Jane Scott’s registered as being born in Alnwick, one in Oct – Nov 1850 & one in Apl – June 1851



   1. There are two Edward Scott’s living in Felton around 1826 / 1827 – one married to Barbara and one to Mary



   1. There are two James Scott’s living in Felton around 1828 / 1831 – one married to Uphence and one to Phillis



   1. Elizabeth & Roberts son John Scott Knox is possibly living with his aunt on the 1871 Census (shows as John Scott aged Cool and with his sister on the 1881 Census. His mother Elizabeth does not show up anywhere on the 1871 Census & has remarried by the 1881 Census.This leads us to believe that Elizabeth had to go somewhere and leave her young son with her sister.



   1. George Wells and Margaret Scott (possibly daughter of James & Uphence) were married in 1860 in Easington, Durham and this would have made Margaret about 17 or 18. The 1861 census shows three children aged 5, 3 & 1 which leads me to think that maybe the older children come from an earlier marriage and that the George aged 1 is Margaret’s son unless she started having children at 13 or 14….



   1. Not all of James and Uphence Scott’s children show up in the birth records and I am sure that many children were not registered for all sorts of reasons in the early 1800’s



So the conclusions based on the evidence available is as follows:


Robert Knox did exist and most likely was a seaman who was away a great deal



Evidenced by the fact that his name is on the baptism records of both Jane & John. Also when Elizabeth remarried she gave her name as Knox.


Elizabeth Crozier Scott’s parents were Edward & Mary



The main evidence is their names on her baptism record. Whilst there is another Elizabeth Scott born around the same time in Felton with parents named James & Uphence this can not explain the names of Edward & Mary on this Elizabeth’s baptism record. I suspect that Mary would have been Mary Crozier.  There are a couple of Mary Crozier’s that show up :



Mary Crozier b 19 Dec 1809 Hexham



Mary Crosier b 16 Jan 1799 Tanfield


Elizabeth Crozier Scott is Jane Scott Knox’s mother



Jane’s baptism record show her mother as Elizabeth Crozier, this is quite an unusual name and the fact that a baptism record exists in the right place and timeline for a Elizabeth Crozier Scott I take this as conclusive evidence of the line back from Jane Scott Knox through Elizabeth Crozier Scott to Edward & Mary Scott.


The two Edward & Mary Scott’s



A search on the IGI shows an Edward Scott who was married to a Mary Sill and they had a son named Edward who was born in 1802 and christened in Felton in 1805.This Edward is the right age and in the right place to be Elizabeths father however info from another tree suggests that he is the Edward that is married to Barbara and they are still living together in 1871. Boyd’s marriage index records the marriage of Edward Scott and Mary Sill in 1785 in Felton. Elizabeth’s baptism record shows her parents as Edward & Mary.


Who was John Knox’s aunt Margaret?



The 1871 census has John Knox living with his Aunt Margaret Wells (nee Scott). I think that this Margaret Wells is most likely the daughter of James & Uphence Scott. The fact that John is described as a nephew is confusing. I think that there are a few possibilities – firstly, there are many Knox’s in the Felton area and it is possible that this John is not our John Scott Knox. Secondly there is a chance that Margaret is not the daughter of James and Uphence but another daughter of Edward and Mary Scott that has not shown up in the birth records.  Thirdly, and I think most likely is that Margaret is the daughter of James and Uphence and that James Uphence was a brother of Edward which could still make Margaret an Aunt / relation of John Knox. From the census records we find several families of Scott’s all from the Felton area all calling their children very similar names – we must assume that they could easily be related.

[trish1120]

WOW You have me totally confused!

I am going to post some details to help others that may search for you after I go to bed here in Australia

Christenings;
Jane Scott KNOX, 03 October 1852, Felton , Northumberland
EUPHENCE Knox, 03 October 1858, Felton
Parents, Robert KNOX, Elizabeth CROZIER

Possible Death reg;
Uphenee KNOX, March 1859, Tynemouth, 10b 85

1861 census Jane KNOX age 9, born North Sheilds, c 1852, is living with her Mother Elizabeth born 1826 Felton, Northumberland.
RG9/3838/18/29

Marriage;
Jane Scott KNOX/Thomas CARR, December 1868, Newcastle T, 10b 145

OK, I see John KNOX is born c 1863, Felton, Northumberland.
1871 he is with Uncle and Auntie George and Margaret WELLS
RG10/5035/48/25
1881 he is with his Sister Jane CARR
RG11/5018/81/31

Trish

[sidneyreilly]

I should clarify a little. I am trying to find information / records about a Robert Knox who has been put down as the father on the christening records of Jane Scott Knox and John Knox. His wife / their mother is Elizabeth Scott, probably ELizabeth Crozier Scott.  I had wondered if Robert Knox was a made up name to legitimise the Elizabeths children but I think that he did exist and was a seaman.  All the info and my reasoning is below on an earlier post.

Thanks

[trish1120]

George WELLS married Margaret SCOTT, September 1860, Easington, 10a 346
Yes I agree Georges elder children are not the children of Margarets.
First child is reg UPHANCE Wells, Dec 1855, Durham

Back to Elizabeth;
Elizabeth Crozier SCOTT, christened 14 May 1826, Felton
Parents EDWARD Scott and MARY

1841 Census

James SCOTT, 40
Uphance, 35
ELIZABETH, 15
Edward, 6
James, 2
HO107/830/3/Felton
Could she be a Neice? as no relationships are given.

Birth/Christening;
James SCOTT,
16 November 1799
24 November 1799, Felton, Northumberland
Parents, Edward SCOTT and Mary SILL

There are lots of children on the batch born/christened 1786/1805
Included is an EDWARD, born 1802, Christened 14 April 1805, Felton

Marriage;
Edward SCOTT married Mary SILL, 10 December 1785, Felton

[trish1120]

Hi,
I understand what you wanted but it was a little confusing. I was just trying to clarify.
I agree that Robert probably existed but as he never seems to appear on a Census it is hard tp prove.
Also I cannot find a Marriage for Elizbeth and Robert.

Perhaps other will help as I am of to bed.

Cheers,
Trish