Wall-Alberry. COMPLETED

[pinkie6]

so far we have not found any record of her parents, or mention of any other place of birth except new plymouth, from memory i looked up many emma rundles in england for the timeline of her birth, on her husbands death cert she is as emily catherine ryan, so catherine her middle name. cheers for this help lucy.

[pinkie6]

i am wondering how i would narrow it down to find the exact surname for emily, as she used so many different variations, as for her not writing I do have one birth certs for one of her children/grandchildren (from memory) to say that she had informed in writing the evidence of registration, she used Alberry and Ryan as maiden surnames for the births of children with john o'neil, we know ryan was her first husbands surname, but Wall was out of the blue for her eldest daughters marriage and she was still alive when her daughter married.

[Lucy2]

 I do have one birth certs for one of her children/grandchildren (from memory) to say that she had informed in writing the evidence of registration,

Hi pixie

Just before answering your other question(s)  .... can you tell us exactly what it is, that is written on the certificate you mention above ?  [It might be of real importance ?  ]

~   Lu

[pinkie6]

hi lucy, it was on a grandaughter of emily's birth cert in 1894 (for the descrition of informant bit), it says, 'agent duly authorised in writing by emma snook who was present at birth', i doubt they have kept the writing at bdm as i know prior to 1972 they had not kept evidence of registrations as the bdm lady told me. ex:, when i got grandads birth (he wasn't regd til he was 30yrs old in 1950) there was a signed affidavit but that was not kept and that is when the bdm lady said about eveidence like that not being kept, so i guess we may never know as on other certs emily's mark, signature is a x!!

[Lucy2]

Hi pixie

Cheers.    That info's helpful, as it clarifies that even by 1894, Emma was not able to write.   

I should think also, that she was probably unable to read as well, and this is why the variations in the spelling of her surname have occurred ?   

I don't think that Emma (Emily) has deliberately set out to be deceptive, but just that she has had to rely on other people to get the spelling of her name (more or less) correct.  [And who knows, the people who helped her out in this regard, might only have guessed at a particular spelling. ?)

~  Lu

[Lucy2]

i am wondering how i would narrow it down to find the exact surname for emily,

Okay  ... to narrow this down.

The only certs. (or printouts) you should really pay attention to (at this point), are those where Emma (Emily) was in a position to offer information, herself.    [Those for which she has provided the information - firstly at her marriages, and then at the births of her children.]

*   Marriage to John RYAN - 1857    Emma RUNDLE

*   Marriage to James SNOOK(s) - 1869    Emily RYAN

So, what maiden name has she given on her second marriage to Mr. SNOOK(s)  ?

~  Lu




 

[Lucy2]

 ... and her children's births.

*   What maiden name is given for Emma, on these ?

[I'm presuming you have all the birth records - doesn't matter though if you don't.  ]

emily catherine/catherine emily   --   born feb 1870 patea,

ellen/helen   --   born 31-7-1876 patea

william john    --   born 20-101878 patea

elesha/alicia/alice  --   born 1880 patea

eliza   --  born 1885 patea

*    And   ... what is the name of the informant to each of these births.

[pinkie6]

ok the maiden name when marrying james snook/s was Ryan understandable as she was widowed when john ryan vc winner died in 1863.
maiden names on her childrens birth are as follows,

catherine emily mother emily snook nee Randall. informant j snook father.

ellen/helen mother emily snook formerly ryan informant james snook father.

william john 9i haven't found him yet to send for cert)

elesha/alicia/alice mother emily snook nee rundel informant not given on the cert i have.

eliza mother emily snook nee rundle. informant emily snook.

[pinkie6]

i cannot seem to find william john, a date i had was 20/10/1878 but cannot find it on the bdm historical records site and haven't yet found a marriage or death for him.