Wall-Alberry. COMPLETED

[Lucy2]

Hi again

As I read from your other thread, amongst all the other researchers of Emma, collectively you have a great many BDM records  ... but you don't yet have information for Emma's last-born child ?

I'm guessing that child is "Eliza SNOOK - birth registered 1885 - parents:  Emily and James".   

I think it would be worthwhile purchasing the birth printout for Eliza. 

Reason:   After 1880, more information was collected for births  .... and on a record from 1885, the birthplaces of the parents are also listed.

~  Lu


 

[pinkie6]

hi there, i do have eliza snooks birth and marriage certs. Emily born in new plymouth, james born in dorset England.
when emily and james's eldest daughter married emily put down wall as her maiden name, on her other childrens marriage certs she is Ryan or the different versions of rundle/randell/randall/runnle/rundel etc as her maiden name.
with the children born to john o'neil she is down as Alberry as her maiden name, and ryan on another.
emily died in 1900 aged 57 so was born early 1840's.

[pinkie6]

and also on the certs emily was down as born in new plymouth, which is also on her ist intention to marry cert in 1857 when she married john ryan.

[pinkie6]

As for snook/s, some of that family used snook some used snooks, ex: my gtnan used snooks and the eldest snook/s daughter used snooks and told her famly it was snooks, emily is buried as snooks also and in other instances james used snooks, i know what you say about other people recording the info but i wonder how she ended up with so many maiden surnames, can not find marriages/births etc to link her to them? have spent much time trawling all different variations of her names on bdm.

[Lucy2]

when emily and james's eldest daughter married emily put down wall as her maiden name,

on her other childrens marriage certs she is Ryan or the different versions of rundle/randell/randall/runnle/rundel etc as her maiden name.

with the children born to john o'neil she is down as Alberry as her maiden name, and ryan on another.

Hi pixie

Cheers for that.

The thing is though, that on these marriage records for her children, it is not Emily herself who is providing the information  ... it is the bride and groom (the son or daughter of Emily).

As Emily (Emma) had had two marriages (and a relationship with Mr O'Neill) ... then it can be understood there might be confusion amongst her children, as to which of Emily's surnames was in fact her maiden name. 
And any children who married after her death, wouldn't have had the benefit of asking their Mum.     Nowadays we'd all be able to quote our mother's maiden name  ...  but things were so much simpler back then, and having that knowledge, wouldn't have been a priority. 

Emily Randall
Emily Wall
Emily O'neil

The "WALL" and "ALBERRY" names seem odd

Although, when I look at the names grouped together as above  ... I can see that if badly written on a document,  "wall" could possibly be "o'neill" ?     

~   Lu

[Lucy2]

hi there, i do have eliza snooks birth and marriage certs. Emily born in new plymouth, james born in dorset England.

emily died in 1900 aged 57 so was born early 1840's.

Hi pixie

You'll be thinking by now that I'm a terrible nitpicker !   
[Really though it just about considering other possibilities ... and thinking "outside of the square". ]

Emily (Emma) doesn't seem to have been connected to the Richard RUNDLE family of Taranaki, does she ?   
[I expect you have already seen Richard RUNDLE's very detailed obituary which was published in the "Taranaki Herald" - 12 February 1894 ?    And none of his children were of an age to have been a parent to Emily.]

1840-ish is very early for a New Zealand birth ... and if Emily was born in New Plymouth, you'd be hopeful there might be some evidence of that ... perhaps a church baptism record, a mention of a father or mother in some other record .... perhaps some siblings ?     So the other thing to consider, is that Emily was born elsewhere (despite "New Plymouth" being shown on the ITM and marriage / birth records. )

I wonder if this might be her ?

FREE BMD (UK)

BIRTHS - JUNE - 1839

RUNDLE - Emily

Registered at Plymouth   (Devon)     



~  Lu

[Lucy2]

....   there was also this listing.

FREE BMD (UK)

BIRTHS - JUNE 1841


RUNDLE - Emma

Registered at Kingsbridge (Devon)     

[Lucy2]

Pixie   ... did Emily's children have any distinctive christian names ?

*    Can you list the children's names please ?

It might be worth checking out the UK for 1851 to see if Emily can be found ?

[pinkie6]

Hi there, it is definitely Wall on emily's eldest daughters marriage cert.

The children she had with james snook/s are as follows 9and no worries about your 'nitpicking' lol, be good to dort this!!)

emily catherine/catherine emily born feb 1870 patea, married william parker

ellen/helen born 31-7-1876 patea married first to william carradus then mr hickey

william john born 20-101878 patea haven't found any info on what happened to him?

elesha/alicia/alice born 1880 patea had a family with william gerrand

eliza born 1885 patea married alfred gill.