LUGSDEN/LUGSDIN of Little Staughton

[johnP-bedford]

I can't work out John Ell's relationship to Mary Ell, .................

David, hope you're refreshed this morning . 

John Ell aged 64 in 1861; could he be the John Ell baptised 22 Sep 1796 at Henlow, son of Charles Ell & Mary Stevens who married 28 Jul 1789 ay Henlow. They also baptised a James Sumpter Ell on 16 July 1799.

Is this Charles Ell baptised Gravely 23 Aug 1761, son of John Ell & Elizabeth ne Sumpter, who later moved to Henlow & baptised daughters Mary & Elizabeth who married the William Lugdsens. 

* on the 1861 census, John Ell has widowed sister Elizabeth Hare b 1803. Elizabeth Ell married John Hare at Henlow 24 Nov 1831; & she was baptised 6 Aug 1802 daughter of Charles & Mary Ell

cheers John

[johnP-bedford]

In the Will dated 12 Jan 1767 of William Lougsdin..... bequeaths to his daughters Mary, Ann and Elanor Wells £180, plus to his sister Elanor Peppercorn £10.

So are these Mary Lugsden who married John Cope on 23 May 1774;  Ann Lugsden who married Thomas Brawne on 14 Sept 1772 & Eleanor Lugsden who married Thomas Wells at LS on 23 Apr 1764. I cannot find baptisms for these daughters.

Also as to his sister, is this any data of Eleanor Lugsden marrying a Peppercorn

[bedfordshire boy]

I can't work out John Ell's relationship to Mary Ell, .................

Is this Charles Ell baptised Gravely 23 Aug 1761, son of John Ell & Elizabeth ne Sumpter, who later moved to Henlow & baptised daughters Mary & Elizabeth who married the William Lugdsens.

I'm sure you're right John, which confirms my gut feeling last night that John Ell was nephew to the Ells who married Lugsdins.

Wish I could say I was refreshed and rarin' to go, but perhaps the strong black coffee which is half consumed might help!

David

[bedfordshire boy]

David are you thinking James was married three times? -
m1 - unknown, possibly Esther Bailey 1807
m2 - Martha Lidgould 1828
m3 - Margaret Nix 1852

Yes

The James who married Martha was a widower, and we know his age from the 1841 census when he was living with Martha. What is missing is confirmation that he was the James who married Margaret Nix. I'm not sure the marriage cert would give his age - it may just say "of full age", which at 81 he certainly was! and "widower" - but the clincher would be his age at death, so his death certificate is needed. Unfortunately I can't find his burial, although I have Margaret's, who was a widow when she died in 1859. And as I can't find any other James Lugsdin deaths on FreeBMD between 1852 and 1859 I assume the 1853 death was the husband of Margaret.

In 1851 James 80 was living in Stoke Newington, part of Hackney registration district. In the June quarter 1851 in Hackney there's a death registered of Martha Lugsden, which is a slight anomaly as James was a widower on 30 March! Possibly she died at the end of March and her death wasn't registered until the very beginning of April.

It all points to it being James widower of Martha who married Margaret Nix.

David

[johnP-bedford]

At the archives yesterday I looked at documents BD1171/1-5

The "marriage certificate" is a piece of paper that says William Lugsden of Little Staughton, widower to Sarah Thoms, spinster of this parish, on 13 Aug 1802 married by licence, in presence of Francis Hobson & Ann Thorns. Signed by rector of Eaton Socon on 21 Sept 1832.

This ties up with the marriage licence data, where surety was given by Francis Hobson, miller of Eaton Socon.

I noticed another marriage at Eaton Socon on 7 Oct 1802 of John Barker of London to Ann Thornes of E.S., also by licence & also surety given by the same Francis Hobson, yeoman.

I am assuming Sarah & Ann are sisters, daughters of William & Mary Thorns of Eaton Socon, Sarah baptised 30 Aug 1767 & Ann baptised 29 Jul 1764. 
 

[bedfordshire boy]

William and Mary (Ell) had three known children, all born at Pertenhall, as John pointed out in reply #16

George b 1797 didn't marry, and in all censuses gave his birthplace as Henlow. Died in 1875 age 77

Mary b 1799 Married William Watts at Leighton Bromswold Hunts 22 Feb 1819. Buried Leighton Bromswold 21 Jun 1860 age 60. Appears on 1851 census at Little Catworth Hunts Farmer 100 acres b Pertenhall.

William b 1805 Married Clara Hawkins 16 Oct 1831 St Paul Canonbury, Middlesex. Children all b Islington: Henry 1832, William 1834, James 1840, Charles 1844, Benjamin 1845, Clara Elizabeth b 1847. Died in 1870 in Islington age 65.

David

[bedfordshire boy]

Ladds Lugsden, born Riseley 1808, son of James and Charlotte (Ladds) was a bit of a Ladd.

He's named in bastardy proceedings in 1831 with Lucy Tebbitt, who baptised a daughter Eliza on 10 July 1831, four days after Ladds married Priscilla Worth Swannell at Lt Staughton.

So the numerous Canadian descendants of Ladds have some half cousins in England

David

[johnP-bedford]

Priscilla Worth Swannell is daughter of Joseph Swannell of Felmersham & Priscilla Worth of Harrold, who married at Harrold on 11 July 1810.  I don't know when Joseph died but Priscilla Swannell, widow of St John's Bedford married James Knight, widower of Little Staughton on 15. May 1824 at Bedford St John's.

It states Priscilla Kight mother as giving surety on the marriage licence dated 2/7/1831  of Ladds Lugsden of Riseley to Priscilla Worth Swannell of LS.

Baptism of Priscilla Worth Swannell at the Harpur St Weslyan on 12 Nov 1812, born 9 April 1811

On 1851 census Priscilla Knight is a visitor age 62 born Harrold

[bedfordshire boy]

I noticed this morning that a James Lugsdin Bailey emigrated to New Zealand in 1850 (see http://www.angelfire.com/az/nzgenweb/diaryjlb.html ) and thought there must be a connection.

He was born at Datchet, Berks, on 22 July 1827, son of Ann and William Bailey. In the link above he mentions his Uncle Lugsdin

Marriage 10 Aug 1807 at Holborn: James Lugsdin bach of St Giles Cripplegate & Esther Bailey spinster of St Andrew Holborn. Witnesses: Joseph Harrip & E Jacques

Marriage 20 May 1828 in the City of London: James Lugsdin widower of St Nicholas Brighthelmstone Sussex & Martha Lidgould spinster. Witnesses: Ann Newbery; William Bailey (was this his first wife's brother? Probably, as in 1827 William Bailey named his son for James, and it seems as though they were still close in 1839 when James was involved in arranging the schooling of William's son James Lugsdin Bailey at the City of London school)

In 1841 William Bailey was a baptist minister in Datchet

I think this helps establish the link between the first two marriages. I think William and Esther were siblings


David