LUGSDEN/LUGSDIN of Little Staughton

[bedfordshire boy]

Ann Lugsdin married Benjamin Excell on 29 May 1833 at St Nicholas Brighthelmstone, Sussex. They appeared in 1841 in Brighthelmstone, Ann 30 not born in Sussex. Benjamin died in 1842 and in 1851 she was a widow, Anne Exall 48 born Huntingdonshire. According to some online trees she died in Australia in 1888.

She may have been the daughter of  John Lugsdin of Sawtry All Saints who married Lucy Allen at Kimbolton in 1800.  I think it was this John who was buried on 22 Nov 1803 at Sawtry All Saints,(confirmation required from the parish register) as a Lucy Lugsden widow married James Knighton of Gt Gidding in Sawtry AS in 1804.

It appears as though Ann was living with her uncle, James Lugsdin, in Brighton, as there’s a marriage on 20 May 1828 at St Michael Bassishaw, City of London, between James Lugsdin widower of St Nicholas Brighthelmstone, Sussex, & Martha Lidgould spinster. Can’t trace his first marriage, yet.

1841 census
Hove Sussex
James Lugsden 70 Ind; Martha Lugsden 61. Neither b in Sussex

1851 census
Stoke Newington Middlesex
James Lugsden head widower 80 gentleman b Bedford

I think the 1852 marriage to Margaret Nix was this James, and the 1853 will that Graham has mentioned was him.

Graham has told me that the 1853 will mentioned no children, but that various nephews and nieces were named, including Ann Excell. I'm still working my way through these, but Mary Battams and Sophia are named

David

[bedfordshire boy]

A couple more references possibly relating to the James Lugsdin in the previous message-

- in 1835 a  James Lugsdin of 29 Great James St, Bedford Row, was one of the signatories to a letter to Lord Melbourne, Home Secretary, appealing for clemency for a cripple convicted of selling unstamped newspapers. I can't find any reference to the type of business he was operating though. (Parliamentary papers, Volume 46 by Great Britain Parliament. House of Commons
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BVASAAAAYAAJ&pg=PP257&dq=lugsdin&lr=&as_brr=3&cd=11#v=onepage&q=lugsdin&f=false )

- there's a marriage on 10 Aug 1807 at St Andrew Holborn between James Lugsdin and Esther Bailey, who might be the missing first wife. Unless I find a burial for Esther pre 1828 I doubt that I'll ever be able to prove it though.*

David

* 10 March edit. Gaye has kindly given me the burial of Esther Lugsdin age 53  at Brighton on 7 April 17271827, which provides the link

[johnP-bedford]

There's a Mary Lugsden that married John Battams on 25 July 1822 at Totternhoe; not so far from Eaton Bray.

The Totternhoe mariage confirms Mary Lugsden was of Eaton Bray, married by licence which offers no more info; & witnesses were James Battams & Ann Battams

[johnP-bedford]

Suspect he is the William Lugsden who married Martha Smith at Eaton Bray on 28/10/1823, I'd just like to check the marriage entry to see where he's from & the names of witnesses.

The Eaton Bray marriage says William Lugsden was from Edlesborough, Bucks - witnesses were Richard Gadsden & Mary Smith.

Nice if it had said he was from Colmworth or Staughton 

[johnP-bedford]

William Lugsdin m Mary Sumpter
Son William m Mary Ell
Son James m Editha Howard
William Lugsdin (who m Mary Sumpter) had a brother James m Mary Dobey
Son William m1 Elizabeth Ell, m2 Sarah Thorns

So to recap William (m Mary Sumpter) baptised 25/7/1736 & James (m Mary Dobey) baptised 4/8/1734 were brothers & I assume are the sons of William Lugsden & Ann Peppercorn.

Is he the William, son of William Lugsdin baptised at Little Staughton 12/3/1697 ?

When William Lugsden married Ann Peppercorn at St Paul's Bedford on 10/04/1732 it confirms that he was from Little Staughton; and he was a widower.

So who was his first wife & when did she die ?

Little Staughton has a burial on 19/07/1724 of Dorothy, wife of Wm Logsden, after the marriage of William Logsden, labourer to Dorothy Fann on 30 Sept 1723. William, labourer & Dorothy also baptised a son named William (of course) on 19 July 1724 - what became of him.

Well we know that William who married Ann Peppercorn was a farmer, while William who married Dorothy was just a labourer; AND if William & Dorothy had son William - & assume he survived - then why would William & Ann have their child named William. So I suspect these are not the same Williams.  What do you think ?

John

[bedfordshire boy]

And I've just found yet another Ell connection

In 1861 Clara Elizabeth Lugsdin, dau of William b 1805 at Pertenhall, son of Mary (Ell) was a visitor in Henlow with John Ell 64 unmarried farmer. Clara's father was in Clifton, whilst her mother was a visitor at one of Clara's brothers in Islington.

I can't work out John Ell's relationship to Mary Ell, but nephew seems to be the most likely. And I don't know why William should have been living alone in Clifton in 1851, as there's no obvious connection that I can see - he was born in Pertenhall and seems to have spent his adult life in Islington where he worked for the GPO.

Just when I think I've got them sorted I get thrown a curve ball.

I've not looked at the older Lugsdens but I'll have a look in the morning. Eyes have gone tonight, and brain is also in neutral.

David

[lugsdin]

So to recap William (m Mary Sumpter) baptised 25/7/1736 & James (m Mary Dobey) baptised 4/8/1734 were brothers & I assume are the sons of William Lugsden & Ann Peppercorn.

Is he the William, son of William Lugsdin baptised at Little Staughton 12/3/1697 ?

John

I am of the belief that William and James are sons of William baptised 13 Mar 1697.

In the Will dated 12 Jan 1767 of William Lougsdin of the parish of Little Staughton, he bequeaths to his son James Lougsdin all his freehold estate at Wilden and to his son William two freehold estates in Little Staughton as well as to his daughters Mary, Ann and Elanor Wells £180, plus to his sister Elanor Peppercorn £10. Signed in the prescence of Dorothy Barnard, Jacob Patridge and Thomas Smith.

So who was his first wife & when did she die ?

Little Staughton has a burial on 19/07/1724 of Dorothy, wife of Wm Logsden, after the marriage of William Logsden, labourer to Dorothy Fann on 30 Sept 1723. William, labourer & Dorothy also baptised a son named William (of course) on 19 July 1724 - what became of him.

Well we know that William who married Ann Peppercorn was a farmer, while William who married Dorothy was just a labourer; AND if William & Dorothy had son William - & assume he survived - then why would William & Ann have their child named William. So I suspect these are not the same Williams.  What do you think ?

John

Interesting in the last para of John's post that the burial of Dorothy and the baptism of William occurred on the same day, she presumably dying in labour.

Graham

[lugsdin]

1851 has George Lugsden, unmarried aged 30 born Henlow; journeyman Baker living in Great Staughton with Alfred Powers a Baker from Blunham - mistranscribed as Leysden

HO107/1750 Folio 466, Page 23

Good find!

It's a rotten figure, but I think it's 50 not 30 (I've just noticed that for once I agree with Ancestry!)

There's also a George Lugsden 64 in Kimbolton in 1861 born in Henlow. Where he sprung from I've no idea! Not baptised, inevitably. Perhaps he's the George born 1797 at Pertenhall who you found in a non conformist register. Possibly his parents stayed on in Henlow for a few months after their marriage. Can't find him in 1841/51

I am concluding that this George is the George, son of William Lugsdin and Mary (Ell). The George, son of John Lugsdin and Ann (Lugsdin) having died in 1846, thus accounting for him.

[lugsdin]

It appears as though Ann was living with her uncle, James Lugsdin, in Brighton, as there’s a marriage on 20 May 1828 at St Michael Bassishaw, City of London, between James Lugsdin widower of St Nicholas Brighthelmstone, Sussex, & Martha Lidgould spinster. Can’t trace his first marriage, yet.

1841 census
Hove Sussex
James Lugsden 70 Ind; Martha Lugsden 61. Neither b in Sussex

1851 census
Stoke Newington Middlesex
James Lugsden head widower 80 gentleman b Bedford

I think the 1852 marriage to Margaret Nix was this James, and the 1853 will that Graham has mentioned was him.

Graham has told me that the 1853 will mentioned no children, but that various nephews and nieces were named, including Ann Excell. I'm still working my way through these, but Mary Battams and Sophia are named

David

David are you thinking James was married three times? -
m1 - unknown, possibly Esther Bailey 1807
m2 - Martha Lidgould 1828
m3 - Margaret Nix 1852