LUGSDEN/LUGSDIN of Little Staughton

[lugsdin]

G'day John and thanks for referring me to this v useful site!

then he's not the same Robert born 1807 Little Staughton, parents William & Mary

That's correct - Robert was son of James and Margaret. James in his Will leaves a "cottage and buildings with piece of land containing 5 acres at Little Staughton".
Old letters indicate this subsequently became the Village Farm Public House.

On my tree I do have a William b 1772 m 2/5/1796 Mary Ell, however I have no sibling info on my tree for them - maybe your Robert Thomas fitted in here?

William b 1772 had a brother James, from whom I am descended.

I am unable to trace James and Margaret into my tree.

Will continue digging.

[johnP-bedford]

Hi Graham,   

To stop any confusion , is your Robert & son William, the same family as we've found on 1841 & 1851 census ?  In 1861 I have found a William Lugsden, age 14 and apprentice tailor & draper living in Eaton Socon. If I was unaware of your information I would have claimed him as the son of Robert & Sarah.

As to William Lugsden & Mary Ells; I notice on the new Bedford Archive search facility

http://apps.bedscc.gov.uk/bedsccis3/search.aspx

a marriage licence of William Lugsden of Little Staughton & Mary Ell of Henlow dated 2 May 1796.... & another of him to Elizabeth Ell dated 22 Feb 1796... couldn't he decide.... 

David - can you check Henlow PRs. thanks,

[bedfordshire boy]

Marriages at Henlow
23 Feb 1796 William Luxden (signs Lugsdin) of Lt Staughton & Elizabeth Ell
3 May 1796 William Lugsdin of Lt Staughton & Mary Ell

There's no sign of a burial of Elizabeth which might rule out it being the same William. Was there more than one William in Lt Staughton at the time? (It's early, school hols, brain not working!)

David

In fact I can't see burials in Beds for any of them

[lugsdin]

is your Robert & son William, the same family as we've found on 1841 & 1851 census ? 

Yes he is of the same family. Louisa having married in 1849 had moved out by 1851 presumably. I can only presume that the Louisa you are looking for comes from this line, grand dau of Robert Thorn Lugsdin not grand dau Robert Thomas Lugsdin.

In 1861 I have found a William Lugsden, age 14 and apprentice tailor & draper living in Eaton Socon. If I was unaware of your information I would have claimed him as the son of Robert & Sarah.

Correct

 

As to William Lugsden & Mary Ells; I notice on the new Bedford Archive search facility

http://apps.bedscc.gov.uk/bedsccis3/search.aspx

a marriage licence of William Lugsden of Little Staughton & Mary Ell of Henlow dated 2 May 1796.... & another of him to Elizabeth Ell dated 22 Feb 1796... couldn't he decide.... 

These are two separate Williams - William who married Ell 22 feb 1796 (father James Lugsdin , mother Marey Dobey) did infact remarry, but to Sarah Thorns of Eaton Socon on 12 Jul 1802. I have compared the two signatures and they are the same and in the second marriage of 1802 William is described as a widower.

William who married Ell 2 May 1796 had parents of William Lugsdin and Mary Sumpter.

So you can see how confusing it gets!

[johnP-bedford]

Graham,  To recap... put me right if I'm wrong..

The only info I have is my Louisa Lusden married Boaz Sabey in LS on 28/3/1849 - her father was Robert, she was 21 so born 1828. The only Louisa Lugsden with father Robert (& wife Sarah) I've found in 1841 is the one transcribed as English by Ancestry. It was Robert Thomas Lugsdin that married Sarah Gray in 1825 & they also had William who became the apprentice tailor age 14 on 1861 census.

Robert Lugsden was born 18/9/1806 (IGI says this is extracted entry from LS baptist church) parents William & Mary (who is the Mary Ell of Henlow)  married 3 May 1796. This couple also had George 22/1/1797, Mary 5/11/1799  & William 21/3/1805.

William (who married Mary Ell) had brother James 2/3/1777 & they were sons of William & Mary Sumpter. James married Edith Howard & had son John 1819 at Riseley who went off to Australia.

So where does Robert Thorn Lugsden & parents James & Margaret fit in with the above?

cheers John   

[lugsdin]

Hi John,

Just reread the Will of James married to Margaret. In it it lists the beneficiaries as DB and DS with Robert T as a DB (descendent of a brother). So that removes James and Margaret from the equation. Robert Thorn Lugsdin and Robert Thomas Lugsdin are assumed to be one and the same, with a transription error by Ancestry.

Refence to Robert Thorn Lugsdin comes from a 1929 letter from his grandson - (can't see how to attach to this post).

Cheers,

Graham

[johnP-bedford]

There are references to William, James & Robert Thorns Lugsdin on the Bedford Archive Website

http://blars.adlibsoft.com/beginner/indnms.html

tyoe in LUGSDEN & press <search> to get a list & then select on the names
 

[johnP-bedford]

As it's Wednesday went to library & archives.... 

From the non-conformists' records of Little Staughton baptist church.

birth 2/3/1777 James, son of William & Mary Lugsden of Little Staughton

birth 18/9/1806 Robert Williamson, son of blank & blank Lugsden of Little Staughton

birth 22/1/1797 George son of William & Mary Lugsden of Pertenhall
birth 5/11//1799 Mary daughter of William & Mary Lugsden of Pertenhall
birth 21/3/1805 William son of William & Mary Lugsden of Pertenhall

If these entries are the basis of the IGI extracted entries how come they have Robert with correct birthdate, but don't mention the 'Williamson' bit & then contrive that his parents are William & Mary.

So we have 2 families of William Lugsdens, one in Little Staughton & one in Pertenhall; This does tie up nicely from the 1803 Muster Lists, where the one in Pertenhall is class 2, a farmer age 31 with 2  children under 10; and the one in Little Staughton is class 4, a husbandman.

Also found a book in library about the Little Staughton Meeting House by H G Tibbutt, published in 1951 & it states that eight persons joined together on 10 June 1766 to set up the baptist church in Little Staughton, which included William Lugsden, Mary Lugsden, Ann Lugsden. Later James Lugsden joined the congregation, & William with James & William Peppercorn established the church.

So as the Lugsdens were baptists, does this explain why their marriages were done by licence ? 
more on that later
        

[bedfordshire boy]

The "Thorn" middle name seems to have been continued with Albert Thorns Lugsdin born/died March quarter 1868 (unless Thorns is a mistranscription of Thomas!)

Where has Ancestry mistranscribed Thorn?

David