LUGSDEN/LUGSDIN of Little Staughton

[bedfordshire boy]

A snippet:

in the parliamentary election for the two knights of the shire of the county of Bedford in 1784  it was a close run thing for the second knight. St Andrew St John had 974 votes and Lord Ongley 973. http://www.rabancourt.co.uk/abacus/p84head.jpg

Lord Ongley challenged the vote of William Lugsden of Lt Staughton as being intended for himself. All 2,998 votes were then scrutinised, and 297 were disqualified for various reasons - some shouldn't have been eligible to vote as they had freeholds with a value of less than 40s, or were copyholders or leaseholders, some were under 21, and some voted twice. St John still won. (History of Bedfordshire, Joyce Godber 1969)

I assume this must have been the William Lugsden who was married to Mary Sumpter

David

[bedfordshire boy]

John, was there any mention of Sabeys in the book?

I have this book - no mention of Sabeys in it.

Thanks for checking Graham. That's unfortunate. I was hoping that perhaps we might have been able to solve the Bolnhurst Sabey problem as they too attended Lt Staughton Baptist church

David

[johnP-bedford]

David;  I assume you've seen the Pollbook of Bedfordshire 1784 mentions William Lugsden of Little Staughton & James Lugsden of Wilden.

http://www.rabancourt.co.uk/abacus/p1784ind.html

I think that James of Wilden is son of a William Lugsden of LS (but not the one in the Pollbook) as they are mentioned in the BLARS ref BD1171/1-5 (extract of will of Wm Longsdin dated 3 May 1767). 

As to polling, I will check out the 2 BHRS publications 'How Bedfordshire Voted' to see if they get a mention

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi John

A quick one before I go down to the market. Yes, I'd see the Pollbook (and posted the link to the front page which gave the result - see my post three lower down). I was wondering where Wilden came into the picture though.

I'm looking at a couple of Lugsdens in London - James son of James who married Margaret Nix in Westminster in 1852, who Graham says died in 1853 in Peckham - don't have his age though, and can't find a burial. There's a burial of Margaret Lugsdin in 1859 age 57, which is probably her, as I'm not aware of any other Margaret Lugsdens. Don't know which James he is.

There's also a Jabez Lugsdin married in London in 1832 who on 1851 (Lergsdier) age 42 was born in Beds, which must have been north Beds as the Eaton Bray lot hadn't started in 1809. Don't know where he fits in either, although as both he and James and Margaret were in Westminster they may be connected. Jabez died in 1859 so we don't get a second bite at the cherry for his birthplace

Have a good one


David

[lugsdin]

Graham;  When did Robert Lugsdin & wife Sarah die. As I have them on 1861 census as farmer in Little Staughton, Robert 54 & Sarah 57. (OK I have now updated Ancestry with the correct name). Also I have death index for Robert Lugsdin in Sept 1861 & Sarah Lugsden in Dec 1866 age 62, both in St Neots RD. In 1861 son William age 14 was apprenticed as tailor in Eaton Socon.

Your story (well to me) suggested that William was apprenticed after father Robert had died & he was a young boy rather than a growing lad.

Cheers John     

Hi John, I do not have death dates for either Robert or Sarah.

Re William - the letter from his son in 1929 said " William was taken from a solicitor's office and apprenticed to a tailor as a boy", so presumably he didn't know his father's age at the time.

Cheers,

Graham

[lugsdin]

There's also a George Lugsden 64 in Kimbolton in 1861 born in Henlow. Where he sprung from I've no idea! Not baptised, inevitably. Perhaps he's the George born 1797 at Pertenhall who you found in a non conformist register. Possibly his parents stayed on in Henlow for a few months after their marriage. Can't find him in 1841/51

I have a Will of a George Lugsdin of Buckingham Row, Westminster dated 5/7/1845, died 7 May 1846, leaving funds to father John (presumably married to Ann Lugsdin), brother William, brother Jabez, sister Mary Battams and sister Sophia Lugsdin. So maybe the George in 1861 is the George at Pertenhall, who also had a brother William and a sister Mary.


Why couldn't they have had names like Bruce, Kylie, or Barry???

[johnP-bedford]

There's a Mary Lugsden that married John Battams on 25 July 1822 at Totternhoe; not so far from Eaton Bray.

[bedfordshire boy]

And in 1851 Sophia Lugsden sister in law was living with the Battams in Herts. Sophia gives her birthplace as Colmworth, the same as the originator of the Eaton Bray line

[bedfordshire boy]

Why couldn't they have had names like Bruce, Kylie, or Barry???

Because the family weren't Australian at that stage! I imagine that in 100 years time Australian researchers will be begging for the odd John or Sarah amongst the Bruces and Kylies.

Thanks for this information Graham. It all helps to fit the family together in the absence of baptisms

David