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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 September 13 01:39 BST (UK) »
What happened to Sarah SCULLION? You have her death down as 1864 but I can't see it on NSW BDM?

My reasoning is she and Martha were old enough to look after the littlies, were they able.

Neil

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NSW marriage
3115/1864    WILLIAMS    THOR R    SKILLION    SARAH    SOFALA    
3115/1864    WILLIAMS    THOMAS R    SKILTION    SARAH    SOFALA

NSW death
5889/1864    WILLIAMS    SARAH A    MICHAEL    MARTHA    SOFALA   
5891/1864    WILLIAMS    MALE INFANT    THOMAS    SARAH A    SOFALA

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 September 13 02:11 BST (UK) »
 :)  Good find Giblet,

It is likely there will be some information missing from that 1864 marriage.   There was a long running disagreement between the clergy and the civil BDM that went on and on and on.  The clergy recorded the names of the parents of the bride and the groom, the occupations, the ages, and the other vital family history info, on their LOCAL parish registers, but the NSW BDM only received summary information.   Of course, in most instances the local parish registers are still around, usually in the respective denominations' archives.

I did up a thread about how to overcome those hurdles, I hope it will help Red Poppy
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

I wonder if Rosetta was one of the official witnesses for Sarah's marriage.  If so, that would place Rosetta at Sofala in 1864.

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 September 13 02:12 BST (UK) »
Yes, That looks a definate possibilty Giblet, allowing of course for the name variation. It would be doubtful if Thomas WILLIAMS took on two young boys. That leaves the family of Martha 1844, I wonder if/when she married did she look after the boys?

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 26 September 13 02:18 BST (UK) »
And it appears that Mary never married.

NSW death
23395/1942    SCULLION    MARY    MICHAEL    MARTHA    WELLINGTON

No one else seems to be buried with her neither

Inscription for Mary Scullion
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=8694166


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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 26 September 13 02:37 BST (UK) »
Looks like Martha married Christopher Cookson in Dubbo and had two children but I cannot see the two boys under that surname ???

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 26 September 13 02:56 BST (UK) »


NSW ER 1930, 36, 37  MUDGEE, polling at Stuart Town
SCULLION, Mary, Burrandong, domestic Duties

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 26 September 13 03:29 BST (UK) »
WOW Stuart Town :o The only town in Australia that ran Mr ODD out of it.  ;D

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 26 September 13 07:00 BST (UK) »
There’s a submitted tree at MUNDIA with some NSW BDM certificates uploaded  ;D

Marriage Cert NSW BDM 1862 #001859 COOKSON=SCULLION   
(no indication that this certificate has been reconciled by NSW BDM to the Church Registers)

11 October 1862, Cannonbar. 
Christopher COOKSON, Bachelor (birthplace blank) and Martha SCULLION, Spinster (birthplace blank)
Married at Cannonbar
According to the Rites of the Church of Scotland
Christopher (age blank) a Mailman, usually residing at Cannonbar (father’s name, mother’s name and maiden surname, father’s occupation all blank)
Martha (age blank) a Servant, usually residing at Cannonbar (parents details all blank)
Christopher signed, Martha made her mark. 
Witnesses were John BROWN and John BROWN Junr
The officiating minister was Colin STEWART, of the Hermitage, Bowenfels, and the Itinerating minister of the Synod of Eastern Australia

Marriage Cert NSW BDM 1894.  #007289 SMITH=COOKSON
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3 March 1894, St John the Baptist Church, Wellington
James SMITH, Bachelor (blank for Birthplace) and Martha COOKSON, Widow (blank for birthplace_
Married in the St John the Baptist Church Wellington
According to the rites of the Church of England
James was a Boundary Rider, (blank for his age) usually residing at Burrendong (blank for his Father’s name, mother’s name and maiden surname and his Father’s occupation.
Martha was Domestic Duties, (blank for her age) usually residing at Burrendong.  Her father’s name recorded as Michael Scullion. (blanks for the rest of the info about her parents)
James Signed, Martha made her mark and this was initialled by the clergyman.
The witnesses were M E BAYLY and L BAYLY.
The clergyman was R BARRY BROWN.

Death Cert NSW BDM 1925 #020017 Martha SMITH
7 December 1925 at Burrendong, Macquarie Shire.
Martha SMITH, female aged 81 years …. Senility, Fatty degeneration of the heart, some years, HJ McGRIGOR, a Registered practioner,  last saw her 5 Dec 1925.   
Her father was Michael SCHLLION, a FARMER, and her mother a Marther MULLION     The Informant was H F McGRATH, son in law of Merrendee and the Witness to his signature was James Fisher.
Her death was registere 9th December 1925 at Wellington.   She was buried 8th December 1925 in the Church of England Cemetery at Stuart Town, and the undertaker was C J Shakespeare.    The minister was T W BARRY,  Anglican, and the witnesses were Arthur SMITH and J M SHARLTON. 
Martha was born at Bathurst N S Wales and married at Dubbo NS Wales when 18 years of age to James SMITH.
The children of the marriages are (they are no separated into each marriage)
William 62,  Martha 60,  Elizabeth 58,  James 56,  Henry 54,  Emily 52,  Arthur 48,  Mabel 46, Florence 44, Adelaide 40
Two males and Two females deceased.

The submitted tree has offered the following story under the heading McGrath Smith family.  IT HAS NOT BEEN VALIDATED.  The story is quite sad.  :(

“Mary Elizabeth Smith married William Blunden in Orange in 1887 and gave birth to a son soon after she committed suicide by poisoning herself she was found near Burrandong on the Mudgee river. Catherine McGrath nee Hogan raised their son. Catherine's daughter Elizabeth McGrath married William Blunden in Mudgee in 1891 they had two children and Elizabeth died in 1899 and her children were raised by Martha Smith nee Scullion the mother of William's first wife. William Blunden then married another McGrath sister Una Madeline McGrath in Orange in 1900. William Blunden died in 1907. Another of the McGrath children Herbert married Florence Sophia Smith the second youngest child of Martha Scullion and James Smith in 1903 at Wellington. "

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 26 September 13 07:23 BST (UK) »
Methinks the two boys must have been informally adopted out as there seems little else for them.

By the way great work JM  ;D certainly gives a great synopsis of Martha's life.

Neil
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