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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 26 September 13 07:27 BST (UK) »
Here is a report of the suicide and of Mary begging the Blunden's to look after son Tommy.  It is so sad.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18958553

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 26 September 13 07:29 BST (UK) »
I think this is the last of the certificates, any typos are mine !
Some of these names are familiar to me .... Dr Machattie, in particular.   :)

NSW BDM Death Cert 1860 #003062 Michael SCULLION
Second November 1860 at Winburndale, Roxburgh 
Michael SCULLION, Farmer, male aged 44 years
Of Disease of heart, 12 months duration, last attended Richard MACHATTIE, Surgeon, 12 October 1860 …
Informant was Sarah SCULLION, Daughter, Spinster, of Winburndale, Roxburgh   His parents names were not known to Sarah.
His death was registered third November 1860 at Bathurst and he was buried fourth November 1860 at Bathurst, by Sebastian HODGE, undertaker of Bathurst.   The minister was James McGIRR, of the Roman Catholic religion, and the witnesses were Thomas LAWSON and Denis O’BRIEN.
He was born in County Derry Ireland, and had been about 20 years in New South Wales.   
He had married at Co Derry, Ireland at 21 years of age to Martha MULLENS.
Their children were
Sarah Ann, 16,  Martha 14, Rosa, 12, Mary 10, James 8 and William 4.
There were 1 boy and 1 girl dead.

NSW BDM Death Cert  1857  #002181 Martha SCULLION
Twentieth August 1857, at William Street, Bathurst.
Martha SCULLION, wife of Labourer, a female about 46 years
Of Pneumonia of twenty days duration, last seen by Jas J Connell, Surgeon on 31st July 1857.
Her parents were George MULLEN, Carpenter and Sarah formerly DAY.  The informant was Dennis GAY, a Tenant, of William St, (a Publican) Bathurst.
Her death was registered Twenty fourth of August 1857 at Bathurst.  She was buried twenty first of August 1857 at Bathurst by James SMITH, and the Minister was J PHELAN, Roman Catholic with John BRYNE and John JONES as Witnesses.   
Martha was born at Worth (or North) of Ireland and had been Fifteen years in New South Wales.  She was married in Ireland, when aged about twenty years to Michael Scullion. 
The children of the marriage were
Sally 15, Martha 11, Rosa 8,  Mary 5, James 3, William  months, 
2 boys dead.



BAPTISM  1847, Vol 162b,  line 3018 Rosa SCHOLLEN
Rosa was born 28 February 1847 and Baptised 6 Oct 1847 in the Parish of Bathurst, County of Bathurst.
Her parents were Michael SCHOLLEN and Martha MOLLEN, living in Bathurst.
V BOURGEOIS, performed the Roman Catholic Ceremony.

BIRTH NSW 1856  #003204 William SCULIL
First October 1856, at Winburndale Creek,
A male chiild, unnamed, and not present
Father: Michael SCULIL, Farmer, aged about 40 born Ballaskillion, co Derry Ireland.   
Married about 1835 at Ballaskillion.
Children :  Sarah Ann 12,  Martha 10,  Rosa 8,  Mary 6,  James 4   and 1 boy 1 girl dead.
Mother Martha formerly MULLENS abt 40, born Ballaskillion
Michael SCULIL was the informant, he was the baby’s father, and he lived at Winburndale Creek.  He made his mark (JM notes that explains the mistake in his surname)
He registed the baby on Twenty nine October 1856 at Bathurst.
JM NOTES  in the final column there is an entry
“Name if added after Registration of birth”
“Baptized by the name of William by Rev J GRANT D.D. at Bathurst November 16, 1856.

It has been a while since I last transcribed.   Fingers crossed there's enough to help Red Poppy.   
I can confirm that Sally is definitely a pet name for Sarah, particularly in the 19th Century.

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 26 September 13 07:49 BST (UK) »
On NSW BDM there are deaths recorded for the sons of both William Scullion with wife Clare no marriage NSW. Son was Richard Charles SCULLION and he died 1982. Also son of James and Martha SCULLION no marriage recorded. Son james died Orange 1930.

They possibly married interstate or did not marry. There are no deaths recorded for either of these two families in NSW, IE : William & Clare or James & Martha.  :P Now which State did they die ???

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #21 on: Friday 27 September 13 02:00 BST (UK) »
Methinks the two boys must have been informally adopted out as there seems little else for them.

That's a possibility,or they may have been placed in a Roman Catholic Orphanage in NSW or perhaps in Victoria?  Here's some links for NSW

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Bathurst commenced 1865.  Before then it was a series of Missions, part of the Sydney Diocese.   Bathurst Diocese   http://www.bathurst.catholic.org.au/?i=74&diocesan-archives   

http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/nsw/biogs/NE00489b.htm
Roman Catholic Orphan School (1844-1886)    From 1859 it was managed by the Sisters of the Good Shepherd.   

http://www.findandconnect.gov.au/nsw/biogs/NE00817b.htm   Some records of the Roman Catholic Orphan School are held at Mater Dei School, Camden

St Josephs Orphanage, Bathurst  1867-1975 Sisters of Mercy   http://www.clan.org.au/homes_details.php?homesID=186

James  SCULLION, baptised 1851, son of Michael and Martha (Vol 68, line 1780)
William  SCULIL, civil registration 1856 at Bathurst, son of Michael and Martha (see earlier post)

Two interesting baptisms
1854, William SKULLION, son of Michael and Martha, vol 162B line 2453
1856, William SKULLION, son of Michael and Martha, vol 162B line 3453


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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #22 on: Friday 27 September 13 04:34 BST (UK) »
“Mary Elizabeth Smith married William Blunden in Orange in 1887 and gave birth to a son soon after she committed suicide by poisoning herself she was found near Burrandong on the Mudgee river. Catherine McGrath nee Hogan raised their son. Catherine's daughter Elizabeth McGrath married William Blunden in Mudgee in 1891 they had two children and Elizabeth died in 1899 and her children were raised by Martha Smith nee Scullion the mother of William's first wife. William Blunden then married another McGrath sister Una Madeline McGrath in Orange in 1900. William Blunden died in 1907. Another of the McGrath children Herbert married Florence Sophia Smith the second youngest child of Martha Scullion and James Smith in 1903 at Wellington. "

I have tried separating each likely fact and then adding the likely NSW BDM reference that would support that fact.  I have NOT sought to find other NSW BDM reference that may contradict the likely fact. 

Mary Elizabeth Smith married William Blunden in Orange in 1887
1887 NSW BDM #6859,  Mary E SMITH

and gave birth to a son
1887 NSW BDM #35750, Thomas BLUNDEN,

soon after she committed suicide by poisoning herself
1888 NSW BDM #13565, Mary E BLUNDEN,

she was found near Burrandong on the Mudgee river.
INQUEST held 22 June 1888   (Coroner's Inquest Index, not a NSW BDM reference, but the inquest OUGHT to be noted on the NSW BDM dc)

Catherine McGrath nee Hogan raised their son.


Catherine's daughter Elizabeth McGrath married William Blunden in Mudgee in 1891
1891 NSW BDM #5457, Elizabeth MACGRATH/MCGRATH

they had two children
JM suggests they Possibly had THREE children : 
1894 John H BLUNDEN, #36861 registered Wellington BDM district: 
1896  Ernest S BLUNDEN #32577 registered Mudgee BDM district: 
1899 Harold W BLUNDEN, #5080 registered Mudgee BDM district
. I think he may have have been an infant who did not survive,  1899 NSW BDM #3804 Harold W BLUNDEN, registered Wellington BDM district.

and Elizabeth died in 1899
1899 NSW BDM #6414, Elizabeth BLUNDEN,

and her children were raised by Martha Smith nee Scullion the mother of William's first wife.

William Blunden then married another McGrath sister Una Madeline McGrath in Orange in 1900.
1900 NSW BDM  #9383, Madeline U MACGRATH/MCGRATH

William Blunden died in 1907.
1907 NSW BDM #16249 William BLUNDEN

Another of the McGrath children Herbert married Florence Sophia Smith the second youngest child of Martha Scullion and James Smith in 1903 at Wellington. "
1903 NSW BDM #9641 Florence S SMITH

That's quite a lot of NSW BDM certificates needed for validating the info.   May I suggest that there is an alternative to purchasing the expensive "real deal" certificates.  The NSW BDM website offers the alternative as they have licenced OFFICIAL transcripton agents.   :)

These are cheaper and quicker as they come by email attachment  :D

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription



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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #23 on: Friday 27 September 13 12:36 BST (UK) »
Thankyou all for helping me with the Scullions. I would also like some photos if possible, but perhaps not many to find.
Also looking for info on Ellen Paton - married William Collins.
I think her mother was Ellen Donohoe -married John Paton -son of Robert and Elizabeth Aull.
Has anyone any info on any of these?

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #24 on: Friday 27 September 13 12:42 BST (UK) »
I think William Collins was at Tomingley late 1800's and was then a publican in Sydney returning to Burrendong as punt master early 1900's. Ellen's mothers family elusive.

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 05 February 15 09:26 GMT (UK) »
To red poppy:- Majm. The record of Michael Scullion and Martha Mullen in that they were married in Ballyscullion, Co. Derry Northern Ireland. This is part of the UK. As is stated Michael Scullion made his mark hence the misspelling. I am from this area and know it well so hope this helps. Also there are a lot of Scullions in this area and the history of the Scullions pre the 14 century is very interesting.

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Re: What happened to orphans? The SCULLION Brothers.
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 05 February 15 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Is it possible that the brothers were returned to Family in this area. It would mean communicating with the local Church were they were born to explore this line of inquire. The local Catholic church for Ballyscullion is in Bellaghy. Or perhaps ship records. Just a thought.