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Re: Looking for 2 VanToll's on honeymoon!
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 14 April 13 17:12 BST (UK) »
1881 census Yateley Green Hampshire
James Ellis 51 Farmer 14 acres Yateley
Emma 47 Farmers wife Twickenham
Sarah Lamb 56 visitor Indp.   "
Frank Vantall visitor Commercial Clerk Gummet Kent

1901 census 3 Wsarwick Place Worthing

James Ellis 70 Engineer Gas Works (worker) Yateley
Emma 68 Twickenham.

Wills on-line for Van Toll's.

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Re: Looking for 2 VanToll's on honeymoon!
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 14 April 13 17:20 BST (UK) »
Looks like they went to Bath for their honeymoon.

1851 census Pultney Hotel Bathwick
Henry Van Toll 23 Annuitant Amsterdam
Emma 22 Richmond

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Re: Looking for 2 VanToll's on honeymoon!
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 14 April 13 17:35 BST (UK) »
Appreciate your searches, Jennifer :) Thank you
Williams, Margot, Beebe, Van Toll, Hunt, James, Pengelly, Haskett, Triggs

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Re: Looking for 2 VanToll's on honeymoon!
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 09 May 13 21:06 BST (UK) »
A bombshell for anyone interested in Henry Delmar Van Toll:

I've just played a hunch and come up trumps with the will of Henry Philip Hope (1774–1839), scion of the Anglo-Dutch banking family of that name and a collector of art and gems who once personally owned the Hope Diamond. He left a great deal of money and some valuable mementos to young Henry Delmar Van Toll and his aunt (or 'aunt'?), Maria Minna Delmar. Hope's will states that Mrs. Delmar was his 'esteemed, beloved and valued' friend for 'upwards of 37 years', but that doesn't preclude the possibility that young Henry was their child, rather than her nephew.

I am writing to everyone I can identify with an interest in the extended family to ask if anyone has found evidence that young Henry's putative father, also Henry Delmar Van Toll, existed at all. It's certainly rather odd that he should carry the name 'Delmar' when Maria Minna Delmar is otherwise identified as the widow of one Colonel Delmar of the Dutch service, and her maiden name seems to be something like 'Vanderplan' (it's not clear on her marriage certificate of 1842, and three native Dutch speakers have yet to decipher it for me).

Henry Philip Hope's will explains how Maria Minna Delmar and Henry Delmar Van Toll both came to be wealthy, but it deepens the mystery of his birth and her early life. In the event, her second (?) husband, Frederick Orlando Tompson Delmar, inherited her money and her name, and on his death endowed a charitable trust that exists to this day.

Any light any other family historian could shed on this story would be appreciated by the Friends of Kensal Green Cemetery, who are now keeping a watchful eye on the Grade II Listed Tompson Delmar monument, one tangible legacy of this remarkable story.


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Re: Looking for 2 VanToll's on honeymoon!
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 May 13 16:24 BST (UK) »
Just looked at some newspaper records - Maria's marriage reported there with her as the widow of "Colonel Henry Delmar".  Also, at Henry Delmar Van Toll's death in the newspaper he is reported as late of the 74th Highlanders - probably won't lead you to his parentage but interesting military link.

There are a number of interesting records available at familysearch.org that are not name-indexed but images only  (e.g. like digital microfilm) - I suggest you have a look at what's there for the Netherlands, I believe there are some civil bmds.
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Re: Looking for 2 VanToll's on honeymoon!
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 May 13 19:28 BST (UK) »
I didn't know that about non-indexed images. Can you post a link, Jorose?
Williams, Margot, Beebe, Van Toll, Hunt, James, Pengelly, Haskett, Triggs