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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 25 April 10 11:40 BST (UK) »
That books looks like it will be a very interesting read.
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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 25 April 10 14:00 BST (UK) »
This is not just a cause of death historically, I knew a lady who died in 2001, the cause of death given simply as old age. Amounts to the same thing as decline shown on historic death certificates.

You didn't have to be old to die of decline, my ancestor was 45.

I received my first "Old Age" death last week.
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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 25 April 10 14:19 BST (UK) »
In 1953 as a youngster of about 12, I started coughing up blood and was rushed to outpatients where I was tested for tuberculosis with a horrendous hyperdermic gadget which when depressed pushed about 6 - 8 needles (it felt like more than that) into my arm.  I was given the all clear.  But in 1957 a friend had been conscripted into the army to do his National Service and had only been there  few weeks when he had his medical and was immediately hospitalised because what he thought was a bit of 'flu had been diagnosed as tuberculosis.  He was sent to a sanitorium in southern England for 18 months.  In those days the treatment was fresh air, and all the patients beds were wheeled out of the wards every day come rain or shine.
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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 25 April 10 15:30 BST (UK) »
The TB virus was discovered by Robert Koch in 1882 in which he won a Nobel prize.

Before then, I think people suspected it was contagious but didn't know for sure. I wonder what it was like for the spouse of someone suffering lingering TB? Must have been hard.
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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 25 April 10 20:38 BST (UK) »
A couple of things about TB -

it's not caused by a virus, it's cause by a bacterium. That may seem like splitting hairs but it isn't, not least because antibiotics don't work for viruses but there are now antobiotics against TB (of course those didn't exist for our 19th century ancestors!)

Coombs, your ancestor was unlikely to have picked up TB from his wife 6 years before he died. It was much more likely that they both had it from childhood. In many people, a primary infection of TB can die down and be dormant for a long time - even decades - before flaring up again. Some people do die during the primary infection, many never go on to develop the fatal form of the illness, but one important feature of TB is that it's a prolonged, indolent disease -- and that's probably why it's so widespread in the developing world now and in the overcrowded Victorian slums then. The TB bacterium is hugely successful in evolutionary terms - it kills its host very slowly, or not at all, which affords it ample opportunity to be passed on.

Nowadays, most TB sufferers in developed countries have the infection in the lung but it can spread to any part of the body. The bones, urinary system, gut, skin and brain are particularly likely to be affected, as well as the lymph nodes of course. "Pott's disease" was TB of the spine, for example. "Scrofula" described swollen TB lymph nodes int he neck. TB in the gut often came from drinking milk from cows which were infected. TB meningitis tended to affect young children and was often shown on Victorina death certs as "hydrocephalus" - it killed over the space of weeks or months rather than the hours that we associate with deadly meningitis these days.

TB is still a killer for huge parts of the world.
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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 25 April 10 20:39 BST (UK) »
ps an ancestor of mine died of "a gradual decay of nature" in 1840, but she was about 95 years old!
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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 25 April 10 20:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Ann

So Thomas may have had it since childhood but it lay dormant before flaring up again 6 years before he died? Sorry if I am a bit muffled on this subject anyway.

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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 25 April 10 21:33 BST (UK) »

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So Thomas may have had it since childhood but it lay dormant before flaring up again 6 years before he died


Yes, that's quite likely :)
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Re: decline as cause of death in 1841?
« Reply #35 on: Monday 26 April 10 14:51 BST (UK) »
ps an ancestor of mine died of "a gradual decay of nature" in 1840, but she was about 95 years old!
Clearly not  TB I would have thought. My wife's mother died in 2001, just 9 years ago as now. The cause of death shown on the certificate was "Old age" She was 94.
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