Robert Dunlop Howard

[ejam]

Robert Dunlop Howard was my g-grandfather. Married to Emily Terry they brought up a very musical family, he being the leader of the Cork Orchestra and a teacher of the violin.  Apart from a few mentions in newspaper articles about concert performances and advertisements for tuition I can find no record of his existence. His death also is seemingly unrecorded from newspapers I have had internet access to, but I believe it to have been between 1915 and 1920, his being present at one wedding then deceased at the next.
I believe the Cork Examiner records can be accessed in the Cork Library: would anybody be able to look up his death for me?

Regards, Alan.

[julesjampot]

Hiya ejam
 dont know whether you have been in roots web and entered Robert Dunlop Howard ,it does not give you his death but it gives you your ancesters  which have been researched for you, if you havent already the information Cheers Jules

[ejam]

Hi Jules,
thanks for that, yes I have full information above and below Robert Dunlop in my tree, it is his elusive death (and his wife's for that matter) which I seek.
Thanks, Alan.

[shanew147]

you didnt mentioned approx. year's of birth for either Emily or Robert.. but there's only one death of an Emily Howard listed in Co. Cork, and that is :

 Name: Emily Howard
 Registration district: Cork
 Record type: Death
 quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1909
 Age: 51   (est birth year: 1858)
 Volume: 5 / Page: 78

There are a few Robert Howard listings that could be possible, but none with  a match to the middle name - but this would not always be recorded on the cert or index.


Shane

[ejam]

Hi Shane,
yes that's a correct date for Emily, I forgot we recently found that via a contact in Dublin. Robert Dunlop remains a mystery.
Many thanks for that,
regards,
Alan

[shanew147]

As far as I know the Newspaper archive in Cork Library is on microfilm, and not indexed by names etc... so finding a death in a 5 year timeframe could be very time consuming.

It would be unusual for a death not to be registered... maybe Robert listing is mis-indexed or he died outside the Cork area ?

have you looked at the details for the death registered in the Tralee district in 1915 ?

 Name: Robert HOWARD
 Registration district: Tralee
 Record type: Death
 quarter / year: Jan - Mar 1915
 Age: 85  (est birth year: 1830)
 Volume: 5 / Page: 422

p.s. are you certain he was actually at the weddings you mentioned ... or was he just listed as the father of the bride/groom ?

p.p.s have you found Robert on the 1911 census ?


Shane

[ejam]

Hi Shane,
I forgot to say that Robert Dunlop was born 1850 in Woolwich London. His father, Robert James was Trumpet Major in the Royal Artillery and probably left for Cork around 1858 to take up a job at the music college, or at the barracks in Cork. He died in 1886 age 73 as a professor of music.
The dates 1915-1920 are adjustable, particularly as the 1911 census shows a daughter as head of family , but the house they were in was still named as owned by RD.
It is possible that he was away in England for 1911 but of course we are still waiting for that one. Not as advanced as Ireland! The Tralee death I had seen but he was too old.
I notice you have interests in Leeds. I am just outside Leeds and have the full burials disc if that is of use to you for a look-up.
Regards, Alan.

[celtic liberty]

Hi Alan,

Just wondering if you got a death cert for Emily and if you did who was the informant?  How do you know Robert was alive then (1909)?

As mentioned by a previous responder there is a large section on ancestry.com where there is information.  Edward Dunlop Howard married Eileen Rachel Palliser and there is a contact email address for one of the Palliser family.  They might have some information about Robert.  As Edward died on 13 Feb 1976 the informant on his death cert might be able to give you some info.   You don't say which of Roberts children was one of your parents so it is hard for us to piece things together.

Where did Robert's family live at the time of the 1911 census?  If he was alive and not listed could he have been away with the Army? (Was he a musician in the Army?).    Could you possible give us the address.

I could certainly look up an Examiner at the County library but without a date of death it would be impossible.  All of the papers are on microfiche and in date order.   

Robert D Howard seemed to have only two sons Edward and Robert Christopher - did Robert C stay in Cork too? 

If I knew where they were living in the City I could go to the nearest church to check the records - however as we don't know where they lived this is not possible.  Another thing  - were they Catholics or Protestants?  This would have a bearing on which church would be relevant.

If you could come up with this info we might be able to get some extra info for you.

Regards
Mary

[shanew147]

found a listing for Robert in Slater's directory 1894 :

Cork City section - School of Music, 8 Morrison's Quay
 Chairman : Richard Pigott Beamish, D.L.
 7 professors listed, including : Violin & Viola, Robert D. Howard

his residence is listed at 21 Frankfort Tce, Summerhill south, Douglas

He's mentioned in Guy's Cork almanac of 1891 - see link see 2nd page (78), lower right

..also listed in the 1907 edition see link

The 1913 directory shows a Signor F Grossie in the position Robert formerly occupied see - link

is this the family on the 1911 census ?   83 Hibernian Buildings, Cork

... there's a music connection and the head of the  household listed on the Form B1 is, as you mentioned earlier, Robert Howard... which suggests that he's alive., but absent from the house on the night of the census.

I see no sign of him on the Irish 1911 Census. Maybe he will show up on the English 1911 census somewhere, and he died near to that location. If so that might be the clue to help find his death on freebmd.

The 1901 Irish census may provide further clues when that becomes available online.


Shane