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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 12 January 13 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Congratulations, both of you!  It really is a small world.....
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 12 January 13 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Fiona - I am still sooking - I hope she gets back here soon
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 January 13 10:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi there - I think we may have been in touch before, I am the granddaughter of Philip Neal, the youngest son of Philip Neal and Sarah Wilkins.  Sarah and her twin Elizabeth were born in Brussels, where her family had moved as their father, William Wilkins, was a steam engine fitter working for Pegsons based in Coalville, Leicestershire.  Pegsons is an engineering firm which is still based here in Coalville.  Like you, I couldn't find a record of them in the 1881 or 1891 census records.  The twins were born in Belgium in 1882 but their son William was born in Coleorton in 1879, so they must have gone between 1879 and 1882, and returned by 1901 when they were living on Talbot Lane in Thringstone.  From the census record William and Sarah Wilkins had also lost an older son and daughter (also Elizabeth and William) before they left the country.  My dad can remember when Philip and Sarah's house was emptied after her death, there were books about Waterloo and Lions Mound in Belgium, as that was close to where she lived as a child.  My uncle Kenny also remembers Sarah (his grandmother) very fondly.  When he was at Thringstone Primary School, at dinner time he used to walk past his home and go up the road to his grandmother's for lunch as she was such a good cook.  Betty (Kenny's cousin, Grace's daughter) would also walk down from where she worked in Whitwick to have lunch there.  After Sarah's death, her house on Thringstone Green was demolished and my grandad Philip had 2 houses built, one for himself and my grandma and one for their daughter Annette who had recently got married.  I lived on Thringstone Green with my grandparents on the site of Sarah and Philip's old house until I got married in 1984.  I remember Sarah when she was very elderly as until I was 5 I lived with my parents in the house across the road from hers.  My parents bought their house on The Green from another member of the Wilkins family.  I thought her house was very old fashioned.  The garden was quite big but I wasn't allowed to play in it on my own as there was a well.  There was a beautiful old fashioned rose, like a pink and white carnation, which my grandad took a cutting of and it used to grow in the garden of the house my grandparents' had built.  I can remember Sarah's funeral as the hearse stopped at my grandparents' house on Main Street and I went out with Lyn (Betty's daughter, who was about the same age as me) and we put a posy on her coffin.  Sarah and Philip Neal are buried in Thringstone churchyard in the same plot as the ashes of my grandparents, Philip and Annie Neal, and my aunty, Annette Neal.
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 05 September 13 05:13 BST (UK) »
Dear Lorraine,

I hope you are still out there. I am not sure why I didn't get notification of this post.

 :( Ted
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 05 September 13 11:31 BST (UK) »
Hi - no problem, still here and still researching the family!  Interesting you should get in touch, dad found some old books last week (date in one is 2nd October 1923).  They are all about the science and principles and business and salesmanship, and have a name in the front which is John Wilkins, The Green, Thringstone.  Dad bought a house on The Green when he got married in 1959, he cannot remember the name of the woman he bought it from but it was some relative of the Wilkins family.  In the front of one of the books there is some Pitman shorthand, which fortunately I read, which gives the name John Andrew Wilkins, The Green, Thringstone, Leicestershire.  I took a look at the 1911 census and found a John Andrew Wilkins living near The Green, Thringstone, who was born c.1910.  His father is John Wilkins, who was born c.1875.  I have found out Sarah Wilkins's twin sister Elizabeth married a man called William Batson, but haven't been able to find out anything else as yet (Batson is not a name of any family we know of in Thringstone, so maybe they moved away), and I know that Sarah and Elizabeth had a brother called William who by the time of the 1911 census was also married and living in Thringstone.  I was also aware they had other older siblings called Elizabeth and William, who I believe died in infancy.  However I am wondering if they had another brother and this is the John Wilkins above.  Timing would be about right, and the family don't appear in the UK 1881 or 1891 census, presumably as they were living in Belgium at this time.  I am investigating further, but didn't know if you were aware of any other siblings?  I'm also going to visit the churchyard at Thringstone, a couple of local churches in Griffydam and Coleorton have put a cemetery audit online and this has really been interesting and useful in looking up my mum's family, I may try to persuade my dad to help me out with doing the same for St. Andrews at Thringstone!  We are still investigating where George Neal may have been buried, it may have been Coleorton Hall which is quite close to us but now a private gated housing estate so difficult to get access to, but we're working on it!

Hope everyone is well and the sun is shining as it is here - best wishes from Lorraine  :)
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 05 September 13 11:55 BST (UK) »
Don`t know if this of any use - we can`t display 1911 census - but might I suggest you look for
Elizabeth Batson born Brussells residing in the same town she married in to William John Batson .
Whitwick,Ashby De La Zouche ,Leicestershire
www.freebmd.org.uk   1903 marriage

maybe you can see if there are any children in 1911 census...?...
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 05 September 13 12:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Lorraine, I am so glad you are out there still and searching our family still.

I have just discovered that a Great Grand Uncle of mine died 3 days before I was born. I am now wondering if my dad or my grandpa knew of him.

The books you have sound fascinating. Both of my sons are at uni doing Mechanical Engineering and I keep telling them they are 4th generation Mechanical Engineers - I am now wondering if the fascination and expertise with machines goes back further.

I wonder if the John you are looking for was a cousin. I have a brother of the William Wilkins born 1845. He was John Wilkins born 1843 in Hugglescote. He had 2 children that I know of - Topliss b 1868 and Laura Louisa b 1878.

Cheers, Ted

Red post: thanks for that hint garstonite
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 05 September 13 12:25 BST (UK) »
frrebmd shows:
Births: no children Batson MMN Wilkins found after 1911.
Deaths: 
Elizabeth Batson aged 59 1941 Q4 Ashby d l z 7a 246
William J Batson aged 85 1966 Q1 Coalville 3a 610.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 05 September 13 12:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks Josey,

From vague memories of talking to my Aunt before she died (18 years ago) Elizabeth didn't have any children.  :'(
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