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BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« on: Saturday 13 February 10 02:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi everone,

I hope someone can help me.


I am trying to find the birth record of Sarah and Elizabeth WILKINS. Who were twins born in Belgium to English parents.

On the 1901 and the 1911 census their birth place is BRUSSELLS,BELGIUM

According to the census they were born about 1882.

Their parents were Sarah and William Wilkins. William was a Steam Engine Maker.

I can find the family in 1881, 1901 and 1911. I cant find them in 1891 so I am presuming they are in Belgium at that time.


Any help would be wonderful,


Thank you in advance, cheers Ted
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 September 12 18:56 BST (UK) »
I know it's been a while since you posted this query and have probably moved on but I found a pair of twins born in Antwerp in 1891 but only registered in 1892.

I found them through the LDS site under immigration records (the Antwerp Police Immigration Index, 1840-1930), I ordered the microfiche and now have 30 pages of handwritten Flemish to translate!

From these details I then checked the BMD online for free and they came up with birth place of Belgium.

It's worth a try if you haven't already got the info you want.
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 September 12 03:09 BST (UK) »
Dear Fiona,

Thank you so much for your suggestions. I haven't given up on finding a birth record for Sarah and Elizabeth WILKINS.

I would love to know why the family went to Belgium

Cheers Ted
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 September 12 05:47 BST (UK) »
Where did they live when the family were in England? Have you any evidence as to what a Steam Engine Maker was in his case. Was William a Steam Engine Fitter or did he design and make in, and own, the  "Steam Engine"  factory. Was it a stationary steam engine, marine, agricultural or railway steam locomotive. Going to Belgium must have been a money making (or wages making) opportunity for William that is why he was there! Oliver Bulleid, possibly the greatest steam locomotive designer was working in Paris prior to WWI. Bulleid, and his contemporaries Gresley and Stainier travelled in Europe at the same time. It was a very international business. Like the computers or aircraft of today steam was the powerhouse of Victorian/Edwardian times.


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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 September 12 13:53 BST (UK) »
Morning Ted and your cute cat, or Cute cat and Slave,

I’m sure you’ve tried everything but here’s a few things I noticed when looking at the docs I found.
1.    The spelling was mainly phonetic i.e. Salomon for Sullivan, Flewri for Florrie, etc.,
2.   Within the docs, which make up the file, on some my Grandmother is called Florrie, or Flewri or Florence Elizabeth Lucia!  And the index made it look like there were several of her.
3.   My twins were born 1891 but their births were not registered until 1892 when I believe they needed to complete immigration records.  Infact, the twins were born in the March of 1891 but in the immigration records written September 1892 it is claimed they had only been in Antwerp for 2 months.  Another sibling was registered at the same time as the twins and a scribbled note mentions another sib born in 1894.

I also wondered whether you had tried looking for them under the mothers maiden name?  Or perhaps they went with cousins or the parents siblings? There may be a good reason for the leaving the UK and perhaps not wanting to be found?

You could always try searching the Belgium records...... but it might be that Belgium is a blind as continental Europe tends to bleed from one country to another quite easily.

Whichever way, good luck with your search and if you find out why they went to Belgium I would be very interested, as my family appear to have gone there in 1891 but were back in the UK by 1900 which is about the same time as yours. 
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 January 13 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi - hope you are still researching the Neal family, Sarah Neal nee Wilkins was my great-grandmother.  Her father went to Belgium as he was a steam engine fitter and worked for a local company called Pegsons, based in Coalville, Leicestershire.  They lived in Belgium near the Lions Mound at Waterloo.  I can just remember Sarah, she died when I was about 4 years old.  Hope you're still out there, if so message me back and we can discuss what we've both found out!
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 January 13 13:04 GMT (UK) »
Lorraine Im here!

Welcome to Rootschat. Talk to me
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 January 13 13:06 GMT (UK) »
I am sooking so bad right now! Never thought anyone would find this post and answer my questions.
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Re: BELGIUM: Twins born to British parents
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 January 13 13:23 GMT (UK) »
Sarah is also my great grandmother. I have some photos of her. My father is still alive and he always tells me that his grandmother was beautiful.

I grew up here in Australia from the age of 5 and I was blessed when my grandfather emigrated when he was 80. He always told me that his mother was a very special lady.

Please post back here even if it is only twice more so you can PM me your email address.

Love from Sarah's great granddaughter, Ted

(Yes I am a gal called Ted - somehow Ted is short for Patricia - however Sara is my middle name)
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