Hillicks help needed

[MonicaL]

Steven, the 1851 census entry also shows on FreeCen http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl (if you want to save on some SP units although original images are always special!). Surname showing as Hilick as per Ancestry's transcription.

Monica

[Steven1314]

Thanks Monica got the images via Scotlands People as like you its good to have copies of actual census.

I think the 1851 is bang on.  Re the 1861 I don't know what one is right as they both look correct.  No idea what to go for.

The next thing is to search for both deaths for William's parents James and Rose Ann or Ann but cannot find them via Scotlands People.

Steven

[MonicaL]

Hi Steven

James Snr.'s death I am struggling with post 1855, may have died before this date (which means there will be no death cert to be found for him  ).

Possible death for William's mother in 1871 in Elderslie, Renfrewshire. There is an Ann Quail/Matthews who died that year with a birth year of 1826 which is a possibility.

What did you mean about possibilities for 1861 in the censuses? Which one are you trying to find for that year? We had a possible for mother Roseann remarried to John Quail with her children or the likely entry for William with his mother's family.

Monica

[Steven1314]

i Monica pardon me but I was getting confused will all the names.  It was only William I was looking for on 1861 census but got the Janes(James) confused with James senior.  The 1861 census with William living with his mothers family must be correct.

Re Rose Quails death in 1871 I downloaded it from Scotlands People but unfortunately it doesn't mention a first husband on the certificate.  On previous searches I have been lucky and found previous partner noted.  James is proving to be very elusive!!!!!!

Thanks again for your help

PS Also downloaded marriage of John Quail and Roseannah Mathies from 1858 but again no clues on it to previous marriage to James

Steven

[MonicaL]

That is a pity 

On Roseann's marriage, does it show her at least as a widow (re marital status at time of marriage)? Also, does her father show as William Matthews which will let you link up to that possible 1861 census entry with William Hillick living with a Mathews family?

Monica

[Steven1314]

Hi Monica sorry I haven't been in touch sooner.  On the marriage certificate it shows name as Rosannah with father listed as William Mathies and mother as Catherine (cannot make out maiden name).  Rosannah is listed as a widow.  Date is given as 3/11/1858 in Catholic Church in Johnstone.

Regards Steven

[Steven1314]

I downloaded Ev's suggestion that William's birth may be 1846 on Scotlands People.

It is noted as 16/7/1846 on Catholic birth records and although they have transcribed parents as James Hellick and Rose Motheus when you view the image (which is very poor) it looks like it could easily be James Hillicks and Rose Mathews which would be correct so this may be it!!!!

Will try to print a copy and have a closer look.  Re the marriage may have to wait until more records are available via Scotlands People.

Thanks Ev

Steven

[MonicaL]

The info from Rosannah marriage in 1858 would seem to fit with the picture that is building 

Re the baptism entry you now have, does sound like it is it! Remember spellings of names were fluid in those days and entries on registers would reflect that.

Monica

[Steven1314]

Checked the Catholic records for James but all I can find is the birth of a son called James ie William's brother and names of parents are James Hillicks and Rosann Mathews.  As you say the spellings are all over the place but seem to point to the same people.

Did find James in the 1841 census in Lanark incidently but that is maybe as far as I can go but still a lot further than I had anticipated.

Thanks for all your help its good to have some other perspectives.

Steven