marriage certificate has wrong parents

[duckweed]

I suppose if they were married in church the next thing would be to look for likely parish records.

[Ruskie]

I'm a bit confused but my first thought is that you may have the wrong couple - or the wrong parents ... or a couple with similar names and places ... 

There seems to be too much 'incorrect' information.

[Karen60]

Hi Ruskie

I'll try and clear it all up.
Janet McEwan born 1866 to Andrew McEwan & Margaret McCulloch (known fact from living relative)
Henry McFadyen born 1864? to Henry McFadyen & Eliza Irvine

Janet & Henrys marriage details were taken from the birth certs of their children (all details the same)
30 December 1887

Search for this record - only 1 match (over 5yr period)
I also have death certificates for both Janet & Henry giving the right parents

Details on the marriage certificate had wrong parents for both parties

The reason I wanted to clear up the mystery of the marriage certificate was - that another family relative is now saying Eliza Irvine is not Henrys mother as there is no proof even though she is listed on the death certificate....(as he wasn't the one to give the details) he has no proof of another mother only the wrong details on the marriage certificate and he is disregarding the parents being wrong for Janet too

Anyway I have now searched 8 pages either side of the marriage entry on Scotland people and I think the only way I will ever clear it up is to get the parish record for 'Westercraigs" and that is assuming the clerk entered this correctly

Hope this clears up the confusion

Karen   

[aghadowey]

I've seen marriage certificates with a few 'wrong' details- my grandfather's uncle's marriage has fathers' Christian names switched for example, but this one seems full of errors. Good luck and do let us know if you are able to get more, and hopefully correct, details from church records. 

[duckweed]

This is not an unknown phenomenon. I know of other people that have had similar situation. I think definitely all the evidence is on your side and this other Guy is making assumptions on only one piece of evidence. That is why you always need more than one source before you can be sure. 

[Ruskie]

Thanks Karen - I understand now. 

I've seen incorrect details of parent's on death certificates, but not on marriage certificates. That really is weird. There must be an interesting story behind that. 

Apologies if this has already been asked (I've just skimmed over the comments in this post  ), but have you found Janet and Henry's births/baptisms to check names of parents?

[andycand]

Hi Karen

According to Familysearch IGI Janet MCEWAN born 10th August 1866 at Calton Reg Dist , Glasgow. Father Andrew MCEWAN, mother Margaret MCCULLOCH. The IGI also has siblings Alexander MCEWAN born 12th Nov 1868 Calton Reg Dist
Thomas MCEWAN born 1st July 1864 Old Monkland Reg Dist, Lanarkshire.
In 1871 census the family were in Scarborough, England but were back in Scotland in 1881.

You say Janet was present at her mothers death, does the certificate show both Janet's married name, Mcfadyen, and her address?

Do you have a copy of Janet's death certificate? What does it say for her parents? Also, is the address the same as Janet gave (if she did) on her mothers death certificate?

There should certainly be enough documentary evidence to show that the marriage certificate is incorrect.

The other thing that would be worth checking is the Parish Register as duckweed suggested in an earlier post, this was probably signed by the bride and groom when the marriage took place. The certificate would name the ministers church then its a matter of finding where the OPR's are.

According to the 1901 census, Henry was born in Co Tyrone, Ireland. The IGI does have 3 births in Tyrone for parents Henry MCFADDEN and Eliza Jane IRVINE
Aron born 6th July 1867
Thomas born 17th May 1865 (mother Eliza IRVINE)
Mary Anne born 17th Jan 1871
but no mention of Henry who would be older.
Thomas & Mary Anne do appear to match Henry's siblings although Mary Anne's age on Ancestry in the 1881 census is wrong and could be a transcription error. To verify who actually was Henry's mother you would need to find his birth or baptism. Its possible that Eliza Jane was his step-mother.

Andy

[aghadowey]

According to the 1901 census, Henry was born in Co Tyrone, Ireland. The IGI does have 3 births in Tyrone for parents Henry MCFADDEN and Eliza Jane IRVINE
Aron born 6th July 1867
Thomas born 17th May 1865 (mother Eliza IRVINE)
Mary Anne born 17th Jan 1871
but no mention of Henry who would be older.
Thomas & Mary Anne do appear to match Henry's siblings although Mary Anne's age on Ancestry in the 1881 census is wrong and could be a transcription error. To verify who actually was Henry's mother you would need to find his birth or baptism. Its possible that Eliza Jane was his step-mother.

Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificate for Henry if he was born before that date.
Not sure what age Mary Anne was in 1881 census but if she seems to have been born a bit after 1871 keep in mind that it was common practise to re-use a name in the family if a child had died so there could have been a Mary Anne born 1871 who died young.

[Karen60]

Hi & thanks to everyone for their help

I don't think it will be possible to find Henrys birth/baptism in Ireland because according to his grandaughter he had difficulty proving his age when he went to get a pension as the church where he was baptised had been burnt down.

I recently found mention of a Henry McFadyen in the NAS as being in prison in 1886 his address was Gallowgate Street (haven't sent for the records yet)

Would these records list his mother?

I know in the 1891 census there was a Henry Mcfadyen in prison too but I can't find this on NAS