American federal census lookup please . Elizabeth Leather

[*Sandra*]

Henrietta Garcin died  11 May 1959. Metheun. R = Roomer 100A Haverhill (US Directory for Lawrence. Massachusetts) 

Paul Garcin is on the 1930 Haverhill Director as retired. Can't find anything between 1930 - 1935 when Henrietta is a widow. The address here is 16 Margin Street.

In the 1901 City Directory for Haverhill - Paul Garcin is listed living at 221 River Street. (No Henrietta)

[hobbyhorse]

Hello
The information that you have found is amazing! Thankyou ever so much for all the trouble that you have gone to ,in researching this for me. It is very much appreciated.
Looks like Naopleon and Elizabeth Demers did not have any children!!
 I may post something on the Canada board.....but from your research it looks like they just stayed in Massachusetts.
It looks like the Elizabeth, on the death index is mine. 1978 isn't that long ago.
I wish I could have met her!
kind regards
Hobbyhorse
ps Dettori 28..... the Eleanor Leather born in Birkenhead, is not mine. There is another one living there. Mine was born in Northwich.....but there is no trace of a birth there, in the records. Also there is another Eleanor, also living in Manchester, so the death record may be her. It's very strange that there is no birth, as this would have been their first child and all the others were registered!! Wonder if it is a transcription error.

[*Sandra*]

What about the Ellen Leather - March 1877 Northwich ?

[*Sandra*]

If the date of birth were correct for Napoleon Demers - 27 March 1892. There are people that do random acts of kindness where they may do public record look ups.  Wonder if this is worth a try ?  Might be one listed for Essex. Massachusetts.  Could be worth an e-mail to enquire ?

www.raogk.org/massachu.htm -

[hobbyhorse]

Hello
The Elizabeth Demers that you found in the death index was born on the 3rd May 1894. From the workhouse records, it says my Elizabeth was born in 1889.
Perhaps the date of death may be estimated?
Regarding the Ellen Leather, born Northwich 1877.... I have already checked her and she has different parents!! It seems very odd that I can't find a matching birth record.
kind regards
Hobbyhorse

[johnnyboy]

Here are two marriages for Henriette Crouteau, mother of Elizabeth Leather's husband, Napoleon Demers. Napoleon father's, Napoleon, must  have passed away, or he and Henrietta divorced. 

This is her first marriage
                                  Town         Year      Volume   Page   
Croteau   Henriette     Haverhill      1891     415   326
Demars   Napoleon     Haverhill      1891     415   326

This is her  second marriage. Paul Garcin''s marriage info was noted on the first page of this thread but is being repeated here

                                  Town           Year        Volume   Page   
Garcin   Paul               Haverhill    1903            536        439   
Croteau   Henriette     Haverhill       1903           536         439

John 

[*Sandra*]

Hi John.

Excellent find. I saw 2 Napoleon's listed yesterday when I was searching for someone else and wondered if they were possibles.
Don't think hobbyhorse is to keen on the Elizabeth Leathe /Demars death record.

On the WW2 draft for Napoleon where it mentions his mother - would that have been unusual if he had a wife and she was still alive ?

[johnnyboy]

Stranger than Henrietta Crotteau Demers' two marriages is the possibility that Elizabeth Leather's Napoeon Demers might have been married twice.

The Massachusetts Marriage Index on the FamilySearch Pilot website has Napoleon Demers marrying Annie Esther Noonan in Haverhill on November 16, 1910. His father's name is Paul (no surname) and his mother's name is Haritta Croteau. Henrietta Crotteau married Paul Garsin in 1906. I think the names here are too close for coincidence.

Napoleon is 18 years old and is a shoemaker. He and Annie were born and live in Haverhill. In the 1910 census, Napoleon might have already been living on his own. If this the same Napoleon Demers, it's anybody's guess what happened to Ann Noonan.

As for the mother's name on the WWII draft, I don't know what to make of it.

I sent a PM to hobbyhorse with an e-mail address for Haverhill's city clerk.

John 

[johnnyboy]

Just found sad news that the Napoleon Demers and Ann Noonan mentioned above had a son in Dec. 1910 who lived only one day. And they had been married only a month.

John