Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers #2

[Nennefer]

Hi Keith
Firstly I will try to explain how we are related.

Your grandfather was Elias CUMBERS born 1885          My Grandmother was Ena HEDGES born 1914

Mother to Elias is as you know                                      Father to Ena is
Alvy HEDGES 1845                                                         Samson William Henry HEDGES 1862

Parents to Alvy are...                                                     Parents to Samson are...
Elias HEDGES 1844 and Alice REYNOLDS 1846              William HEDGES 1832 and Eliza Clark 1834

Parents to Elias 1844 are...                                           Parents To William 1832 are...
James HEDGES Abt.1815= Eliza JENNINGS 1816           William HEDGES Abt.1815= Frances
                                                                                                                           JENNINGS1814

We have good reason to believe James HEDGES 1815 and William HEDGES are brothers
We also believe Eliza JENNINGS 1816 and Frances JENNINGS 1814 are Sisters.

I hope I have done this in a way that you can see the connection. I have descended from William HEDGES 1815 while you have descended from his brother James HEDGES 1815.

The lady who descended From Alvy and Alfred is Janice, she was with us on the forum for a while but we haven't heard from her in a while. I hope she pops back as you and her must be even closer related that you and I. I think she was the one who mentioned the Old Rose and Crown.

Can I ask who Elias (Alfred) Cumbers Married and the names and birth year for any children they had if you know them it will help me to understand fully how we are connected as I have no idea what happened to your Grandfather Elias as he grew up. It would be nice to fill in the spaces.
Regards Jenny

[keithc54]

Hi Jenny
I don't think that I shall even attempt to research the Hedges line judging by the headaches you have had. I thought that I would print off all the messages on this subject and ended up with 166 pages to read at my leisure.
I have got about a quarter of the way through and there is some very interesting stuff. I saw some references to IGI christenings/baptisms. Can you tell me where I can find this as some time ago I found an interesting website for gypsy baptisms in Kent where I got some good information. I also noted that you live in Kent which is strange since I spent 30 years living in north Kent (must be the gypsy blood in us taking us back to our roots). If you are registered with GenesReunited I can open my family tree to you so that you can get some idea of where I come from. I am rubbish with computers and I just fiddle about but I am going to see my daughter tomorrow and her husband is a bit of Nerd so I shall get him to list some of the old photographs I have, although I am not 100% sure who the people are. One other little snippet I remember from my youth, is that an old boy in a pub in Ongar told me that Alvey Cumbers (Hedges) used to go around Collier Row in a cart pulled by an old brown and white mare. No relevance really but it might tie in with the comment that she was a travelling carpet saleswoman.
Thanks for your help and I shall get back to reading up on the pages I printed off.
Keith

[James R. Yeowell]

Welcome, Keith, to the forum.

I do not have anything to add but I just wanted to say that I forgot to mention the fact I have ancestors from Flamstead in Hertfordshire, where some of the Hedges lived for a time.  My Ginger and Potton families intermarried (they were from Great Gaddesden and Flamstead) and were not travellers but I don't think they were particularly well off either.

I just thought I would mention them.  A lot of the families in this area of Hertfordshire became Methodists and many of their baptisms and marriages can be found in Luton, Bedfordshire, whilst they were still living in Hertfordshire.

[keithc54]

Hi
Thanks for the information and I shall certainly look for connections between the families. At the moment I am feeling a little overwhelmed with all the information as I am new to this type of research.
If I do find any connections I shall come back to you
Many Thanks
Keith Cumbers

[James R. Yeowell]

Keith,

Somewhere amongst this long thread I found another Cumbers on the 1881 census.  If you know how he links in, it would be great to know.

Thanks.

James R. Yeowell.

[keithc54]

Hey Girls: 
You're both out for the night.  Anyway, I contacted a distant relative who has been doing a chart and who sent me some attachments that I can't open a few years ago.  I have contacted her again tonight.  She told me that a couple of years ago that she could trace back to Samuel Hedges in 1771.  Who knows, maybe this is the father of all the brothers!!!!!!!  Anyway, looks like we are going to solve it one way or the other. 
As for me, I was raised in Romford, Essex, and most of my mother's immedate family lived in Collier Row.  Grandfather Cumbers and Alvey owned an old pub called the Rose and Crown (according to my mother), and also owned the land near Clock House Lane, that became a housing tract after WWII.  Romford must have been a little village in those days.
When I get the chart, I will paste it on the site for you.  J.

[deb usa]

Hi Jenny, Sue , Janice and james ....and a big welcome to Keith

WOOHOOO Jenny another connection .....


Keith ...I followed Alvy/alby and her family during this thread..I have no idea what page as their are so many LOL

Janice, is directly linked to her so apart from finding Jenny on thei thread , you have found Janice a direct ancestor .... I will try to find the child of Alvey and Alfred Cumbers that she is linked to.

best wishes

deb 

[deb usa]

Hi all
 Back agin ...I have contacted Janice by PM ...she is the gg grandaughter of Alvy/Alby (nee Hedges) and Alfred Cumbers .... I have yet to find which child of theirs she is related to.

Hopefully she comes in soon

deb

[Nennefer]

Hi Everyone
Been out of action for a few days but back now with 2 more marriage Certificates. Heres what I have
Deb you will like these.

 1894 The parish Church parish of Prittlewell Essex.

378    Aug 7  Albert HEDGES 21 Bachelor Traveller Prittlewell Elijah HEDGES Hawker
          1894   Rose HEDGES 22  Spinster  Traveller Prittlewell Jeramiah HEDGES Traveller

Albert Hedges X his mark   Witnesses  Cecilia HEDGES
Rose Hedges                                         Arthur Busles (I think this is what it says)

1894 The parish Church parish of Prittlewell Essex

379  Aug 7   Elijah HEDGES 23 Bachelor  Traveller Prittlewell Elijah HEDGES  Hawker
        1894    Charlotte BIBBY 21 Spinster Traveller Prittlewell John BIBBY Traveller

Elijah Hedges X his mark     Witnesses  Rose HEDGES
Charlotte Bibby X her mark                    Alvey HEDGES