Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers #2

[James R. Yeowell]

Thomas Hedges 1801 = Eden Brewer
children;

* Elizabeth bc
* thomas bc
** Jane bc 1831
* sarah 1833
* Eden 1835
* Elvenor 1842 betchley Surrey
* Sampson 1846 Crawley

Jane Hedges was chr. 13 February 1831, Rusper, Sussex.  She married Emmanuel Davis on 4 July 1864, Croydon, Surrey.  They had issue:

1. Phoebe Davis, born about 1851, Blackheath
2. Vansloe Davis, born about 1854, Lewisham, Kent
3. Kezia Davis, born about 1857, East Peckham, Kent
4. Leonard Davis. chr. 29 Jan. 1861, Holmwood, Surrey
5. Amos Davis, chr. 12 Apr. 1863, Holmwood, Surrey
6. Elizabeth Davis, born about 1864, Dorking, Surrey
7. Isabel Jane Davis, chr. 25 Apr. 1865, Holmwood, Surrey
8. Jethro Davis, born about 1867, Dorking, Surrey
9. Ambrose Davis, born about 1872, Dorking, Surrey
10. Clara Jane Davis, born about 1873, chr. 25 Feb. 1877, Dorking, Surrey


Here's the 1881 census entry for the parents:

   Dwelling:   2 Cyprus Terrace
   Census Place:   Reigate Foreign, Surrey, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341188     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 0798    Folio 36    Page 11
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Emmanuel DAVIS   M   60    M   Lewisham, Kent, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Sweep
Jane DAVIS   M   52    F   Dorking, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Wife
Jethro DAVIS       13    M   Dorking, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   General Labourer
Isabella DAVIS       16    F   Dorking, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Daur
Jane DAVIS       7    F   Dorking, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Daur
Ambrose DAVIS       8    M   Dorking, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Son


Eden Hedges, born about 1834, Shere, died about Sept. 1897, Guildford Registration District, Surrey.  She married John Tickner, born about 1833, Shere, Surrey and had issue:

See Here: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/the.nook/charts/t/tickn507.htm

[deb usa]

ooo thanks james

i know we have this info already .... but I am still only on page 10 ...your info is so helpful as aI will not have to scour this LONG LONG thread HEE HEE


BTW Jen ....
1841 ...we found William Hedges 65 and 'son' Joseph 20 both chairbottomers in prison ... In 1841 did they round up ages if you were 16 or older ...if so joseph could be another brother born between 1816-1820 ..... or if they rounded down he could be born 1811-1815  either way he would fit in.

deb

[James R. Yeowell]

I've just found this and thought it was worth posting:

1881:

   Dwelling:   63 Stockwell Road
   Census Place:   Lambeth, Surrey, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341140     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 0609    Folio 47    Page 11
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
William A. DAVIS   M   35    M   Lewisham, Kent, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Baker & Confectioner
Charlotte DAVIS   M   27    F   Rye, Sussex, England
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Baker & Confectioner Wife
William E. DAVIS       2    M   Stockwell, Surrey, England
   Rel:   Son
Thomas CUMBERS   U   17    M   Romford, Essex, England
   Rel:   Assistant
   Occ:   Assistant
Margaret LOWE   U   42    F   Walsall, Stafford, England
   Rel:   Lodger
   Occ:   Cook Domestic Servant


William A. Davis could be related to the the Davis' who married into the Hedges... but also note Thomas Cumbers.  Now datewise, he could be a brother of Alfred Cumbers.  His place of birth fits too.

There's also a William, Samuel and Elizabeth Cumbers in Surrey, all except Elizabeth, born Romford, who also could be siblings.

[Nennefer]

Deb
Elizabeth is a possibility as a sister but need to keep it open until we have some more evidence I think. Tried looking for her in 1851 but found nothing in Surry, Sussex Kent or Essex. that looks obvious to me.
I have Joseph chalked up as another possible brother, Hadn't thought about the age rounding up thing. So you have a good point there. Perhaps a hunt at some point for some more evidence will be on the cards. Needs putting on the to do list.
I'm sure there must be siblings out there other than the 4 we have as ages are to spread for there not to be more.
There are names repeated in the family over and over, the 4 brothers are in the habit of naming their children after the brother I'm sure they must have did it with sisters too. Stands to reason really.

Added.. I must leave you all as I am heading home soon babysitting finished. I will catch up with you all in the morning.

[deb usa]

Hi jenny

Blimey ...talk about a lot of info to go through LOL ...please check my summary om pg 28 ...

hope there is no mistakes ... I'm on page 12 now 

[James R. Yeowell]

A little out of context but still useful for the database:

1881

   Dwelling:   Milton Road
   Census Place:   Romford, Essex, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341420     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 1744    Folio 10    Page 14
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Alfred CUMBERS   M   52    M   Romford, Essex, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Cattle Dealer
Rosa CUMBERS   M   50    F   South Ockenden, Essex, England
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Cattle Dealer Wife
Alfred CUMBERS   U   21    M   Romford, Essex, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Cattle Dealers Son
Samuel CUMBERS   U   15    M   Romford, Essex, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
George Haydon CUMBERS   U   12    M   Romford, Essex, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
John CUMBERS   U   10    M   Romford, Essex, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Maud Parker CUMBERS   U   2    F   London, Middlesex, England
   Rel:   Grandchild
   Occ:   Scholar


Would you say Cattle Dealer was an itinerant occupation?

[deb usa]

Oh and what about this in 1901

   Enfield, Middlesex  RG13 / 1272 / 50/ 42

Elijah Hedges head age 33 b Dartford, occ hawker
Elizabeth wife age 26 b Hepworth, Suffolk

 Living in caravan

 And in next caravan

Thomas Thipthorpe head age 41 b Walkwell, Essex, occ hawker
Olive wife age 34b Southlea, Kent
Alice dau age 11 b Romford
Elvey dau age 9 b Cheshunt
John son age 7 b Uckerton, Essex
Albert son age 6 b Cheshunt
Eliza dau age 4 b Romford
Olive dau age 2 b Cheshunt
Tom son age 2 months b Ware, Herts

 Did we have a Olive somewhere

 Added........ This may be Elias's son, Elijah

marriage
Olive Hedges = Thomas Thipthorp
Dec q  1887 
Rochford   Essex 
4a   603 

which Olive is this?? I am assuming that the elijah next door is her brother ....

Blimey

deb

[James R. Yeowell]

I believe it's Olive Hedges, daughter of Elias Hedges and Alice Reynolds.

I have noted her down as born about 1866 in Southfleet.

Southfleet/Southlea

I think it's her.  Yes, she has a brother named Elijah as well.

[James R. Yeowell]

* Eden 1835 died 1897 = John TICKNER  in 1856 Guildford
Children;
Jane Tickner 1857 Shere Surrey
Eliza Tickner 1858  ditto
Elizabeth Tickner 1860     ditto
Eilena Tickner 1864  ditto
sarah Tickner 1865 ditto
Eden Tickner  1868  ditto
John t Tickner  1870 ditto
Alfred Tickner 1872 ditto
James Tickner 1873 ditto
(Maud Longhurst  is eden's gr dau b 1885 Wotton ...who does she belong to?)

Emma
TICKNER
born about
1864
Shere, Surrey
possibly died
March
quarter
1886
Dorking district
Surrey
Age 23

married
September
quarter
1883
Dorking
district
Surrey
Frederick
LONGHURST


There you go.

Eilena is a mistranscription of Emma, I believe.

Oh and Maud is actually a Martha.