Christopher BOTTRELL (b. ~1805) and Margery REYNOLDS (b. ~1807) - Conflict info

[mh_deadwoods]

I'm researching the family of John BOTTRELL who came to Australia with his family in the 1850's with his family, married Mary ann BLACKMAN in 1860 at Roxburgh  in New South Wales, and died in 1890 (also in NSW).

I have some facts (shipping records & census') and quite a few conflicting bits of info from various family trees I can see on the web. I'm hoping someone can help validate/verify the conflicting info.

Here's the facts as I know them....

#1 - Shipping records for the "Lord Hungerford" in 20 Mar 1855:
Bottrell Christopher, 48 (b. abt 1807), Farm Labourer, Sunning Cornwall, Richard and Mary Both dead
Bottrell Margery, 37 (b. abt 1818), ---, St Juste Cornwall, Thomas and Jane Reynolds father dead mother living at Fill??k Cornwall
Bottrell John, 16 (b. abt 1839), Engine driver, St Juste Cornwall, Christopher & Margery onboard
Bottrell Mary J, 11 (b. abt 1844), ---, Madron Cornwall, Christopher & Margery onboard
Bottrell Elizabeth, 6 (b. abt 1849), ---, Madron Cornwall, Christopher & Margery onboard


#2 - 1851 UK Census, under the surname of Battrell/Bathrell (in Ancestry index), in Madron Cornwall:
Christopher Bottrell, Head, 46 (b. abt 1805), ? , born Cornwall Sennen
Margery Bottrell, Wife, 44 (b. abt 1807), ---, Cornwall Ludgenan (sp?)
Thomas Bottrell, Son, 16 (b. abt 1835), Engineer, Cornwall St Just
John Bottrell, Son, 13 (b. abt 1838), ?  Son, Cornwall St Just
Mary J Bottrell, Daughter, 7 (b. abt 1844), Scholar, Cornwall St Just
Elizabeth A Bottrell, Daughter, 1 (b. abt 1850), ? , Cornwall Sladess (sp?)

#3 - 1841 UK Census, under Botinle (in Ancestry index), in St Just Cornwall:
Christ'r Bottrell, 35 (b. abt 1806), Engine man
Margery Bottrell, 30 (b. abt 1811)
Christopher Bottrell, 10 (b. abt 1831)
Thomas Bottrell, 7 (b. abt 1834)
John Bottrell, 4 (b. abt 1837)
Richard Bottrell, 1 (b. abt 1840)

So this gives me a reasonably consistent family group:
Christopher (snr), b. ~1805-1807, came to Aust. in 1855
Margery Reynolds, b. ~1807-1818, came to Aust. in 1855
Christopher (jnr), b. ~1831
Thomas, b. ~1834
John, b. ~1837-1839, came to Aust. in 1855
Mary J, b. ~1844, came to Aust. in 1855
Elizabeth A, b. ~1849-1850, came to Aust. in 1855

There are quite a few family trees that seem to include the same family group with roughly the same dates and the same areas in Cornwall. I'm hoping someone can help with the following:
- Christopher (snr, b. ~1805-1807) is listed as coming from Sennen/Sunning according to my reading of the docs. What is the correct name of the town/area?
- There is reference to St Just & St Juste. Which is correct?
- I have seen two conflicting entries for the death of Christopher, one saying he died in Pen, Maharashtra, India in 1852 (age 22). This sounds like a military posting of some sort. Can anyone confirm the details of this.
- There are a number of family trees that also show him being born in Pen, Maharashtra, India. This isn't consistent with the facts I have above. There are also references to some of his siblings being born there. I'm putting this down to lazy consolidation of other (unvalidates) info on the web.
- Some of the family trees have Thomas (b. ~1834) coming to Australia (records of death), but I can't find any shipping records. He didn't come on the same ship as his parents and John, Mary J & Elizabeth A.

Any help greatly appreciated.

[krisesjoint]

Hi,

You will find the baptisms of the children of Christopher and Margery

Christopher, Thomas Reynolds, John, Richard, and Mary Jane registered in St Just (Correct Spelling) and Elizabeth Ann in Madron

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/

defferent spelling variants so use the similar sounding names box

Christopher and Margery's marriage also.

Christopher Seniors baptism on same site in Sennen (correct Spelling)

I suspect Jane REYNOLDS residence is a spelling inacuracy for Phillack

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Christopher BOTTRELL was buried 1 Jan 1853 Sancreed aged 22 years of Receven (Christopher was married and in Sancreed in 1851)

Young Elizabeth Ann's POB is listed as Madron in 1851 BTW - its just the enumerators writing - have a look at his M for Mary.

Margery's POB is Ludgvan

Kris 

[krisesjoint]

I don't see Thomas. Have you tried to check the possible Australian death record to see if parents are named?

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Margery REYNOLDS was baptised 21 Aug 1807 in Ludgvan. Parents Thomas and Jenefair

The marriage is also on the OPC site

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=253656&dbtype=marriages&formval=

Jane and Jenefer are interchangeable names.

Jane and 2 of her children are in Phillack in 1841

Cheers Kris 

[mh_deadwoods]

Great. Thanks.

How did you find the baptism/birth of Margery REYNOLDS? I can't find the record even when I put a year of 1807 and a parish of Ludgvan.

[krisesjoint]

The records are not all on the OPC site. I have access to other sources.

Cheers Kris 

[darkath11]

Does anyone have information regards the parents Richard Bottrell and Mary (Vingoe), I have found their marriage record here, http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=859191 but am not sure about anything else. Death or burial records would be appreciated, Richard was baptised in the church at St Just is all the information I have on him, and his death was approximately leading to the families emmigration to Australia.

This however creates another conflict in information, I'm Australian but in Cornwall at the moment, in the St Just library there is a book of the 1851 census having Mary and Richard as 46 and 48 respectively, however that means they weren't born at the time they were married... Any insight into which sourse is correct or the most correct?

[osprey]

I think the Richard you're looking at on the 1851 census is the brother, not the father, of Christopher and he married a Mary as well. It was a commonly used name.

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3236229

baptism for Richard, son of Richard & Mary

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=859342
marriage of Richard junior & Mary

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=558182
burial in 1872 for Richard junior.

Richard senior's mother was also a Mary.