*ANY* Van Toll's? Anywhere? This is a mystery...

[martianuk]

If there is a single Van Toll/VanToll in England in 1841 or 1851 - he's mine!

I have a marriage in March 1851 Paddington of Henry Delmar VanToll to Emma Mary Lamb (both full age). He resided at Paddington St Mary, she "of the James District". He was a Gentleman/fund holder, possibly 24 or 25 in 1851. Here is the mystery: I have a highly suspicious death cert for a Henry Delmar VanToll in 1854 (age 28), but his son Frank Orlando Henry Delmar (no VanToll on his birth cert) was born in 1857!!!!!! In 1861, widow Emma (b ca 1834, Twickenham) is misread by 1837online as Van Tole and Frank is Frank Delmar, son (maybe small ditto marks are missing under his mother's listing). By the time Frank hits a census in 1871, he's had the VanToll name added and even marries as a VanToll and so life goes on for all the VanToll descendents - but are they VanTolls??

[Rick]

Martian1

I have checked the complete 1851 Census Indexes for; Paddington, Kensington, Brompton, Hammersmith, Fulham and Chelsea - HO107/1466-1474 but I couldn't find any VANTOLLS.

Sorry
Rick

[martianuk]

Thank you for trying. They married in March - I wonder if there was such a thing as a honeymoon in those days. Is there a general posting board for the whole of England, that you know of?

[martianuk]

Henry's 'son' Frank was born in Broad Street, Greenwich. Perhaps they moved there as soon as they married - before the 1851 census in the same month. Henry died from the famous cholera epidemic, that originated from the Broad Street pump

[Rick]

Thank you for trying. They married in March - I wonder if there was such a thing as a honeymoon in those days. Is there a general posting board for the whole of England, that you know of?

We do have a dedicated England board, as well as a census lookup and resource board,  but the problem is that the 1851 Census hasn't been indexed for England as a whole, only by county or as in London/Middlesex, by Registration District.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,48.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,1.0.html (scroll to bottom of page.)

Rick

[mimosa]

Hi

I know this a a distance from where you were looking but have been just browsing through and have found a Frank Delmar Van Toll marriage in Qtr Sept 1883 in Brighton Sussex on ancestry.co.uk 2b 411

So it seems that there were a couple

Mimosa

[martianuk]

That's kind of you to have a browse 

Unfortunately, it's the same Frank that I referred to, but all grown up!

I'm still searching for more on his father.....!

Thank you though, Kirsty

[Carmela]

Hi Martian1,
This may be a really wild idea, but to me the name Henry Delmar Van Toll sounds very American. I know that there were English people of Dutch descent, but somehow that particular combination of names suggests an American origin.
If you are unable to find him in any earlier English records,
you might consider the USA( perhaps NY).
 
Cheers,
Carmela

[martianuk]

Hmm. I now live in America too.... I have been searching through the Dutch lines and have a Dutch contact too, but I didn't stop to consider the origin being Dutch, then American, then British. Thanks! I'll see what I can find! Kirsty