Brickwall - help needed please

[Sandgrounder1]

Hi Lisa

I think you are doing the right thing by checking as much as you know from family.

I did find a Nellie Carney, born Congleton, b.c 1893,  living in Birkenhead in 1911 with an Alfred Tomkinson and family and listed as Alfred's niece.  I found her again in 1901 and 1891 in Smallthorne and Congleton respectively with parents Thomas b.c. 1859 in Congleton and Sarah.  Unfortunately couldn't get back further than that - they seem to be missing in 1881.  In 1901  there was a William Tomkinson, nephew, born Congleton, living with the family.  No obvious connection to yours, but a strong connection to both Congleton and Birkenhead.

I'd dig a bit more with your family if I were you to see if they can remember any more!!

Sandgrounder

[km1971]

Hi Lisa

There are no suitable Carney/Carnys in the 1925 Directory, and no Trevenas at all. In the 1903 Directory - again no suitable Carneys, but Mrs Elizabeth Trevena is living at 1 The Avenue, Egerton Street, New Brighton. She was living at 28 Tollemache Street, New Brighton in 1911. You could check who else was living at that address, both via the census and the electoral rolls for the males.

From his age he should have been involved in the Great War. There were 50 William Carneys (no Carnys) receiving medals for WW1. You had to serve overseas to receive a medal, so there would have been others who were kept at home. But you may find something in the WW1 records on Ancestry. Also Findmypast will be putting online the army records for pre WW1 soldiers, both regulars and militiamen during 2011.

I am sure you have considered that his father may have been invented, and also that he may have taken a few years off his age when he got married. As he did not live long enough to draw his old age pension he could have got through life not needing to prove his age.

Has this been posted before? On FreeBMD, William Carney, Congleton, Sep (qtr) 1865. In the 1871 census he is living with parent’s  Thomas and Bridget so I think you can discount the 1911 William Corny.

Both New Brighton streets are still there. If you find them on Multimap (and switch to Birds Eye view) half the houses are still there. A number are three storey so idea for lodgings, and less that 2 minutes from the ferry.

Ken

[alpinecottage]

Have you got William's death certificate just in case he had an accident that resulted in his death and then you could look (or have someone look) in the local newspaper for a report of his death.  Lots of Carneys were Irish Catholics, and with a date of death you may be able to track down a burial.  Also I suppose you have looked at Probate Records, just to check he didn't leave a will.

Both long shots, I know. 

[celticmoon]

Me again

I found out today from my Mother-in-Law that William apparently worked on the Anglican Cathedral in Liverpool during the 20's so i have emailed the Archivist at the Cathedral to see if they have any records that would confirm this.
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Hello, I have Carney family that were born in Liverpool and moved to Belfast. Most were barbers by trade. Nicholas, William, Peter, Richard, Thomas Carney-- Liverpool 1861 and 1881.

[gracie23]

My GG Grandfather Patrick J. Carney, born in 1839, England to parents Denis Carney/Mary Quinlan (from Ireland) (who I also cannot find any early records for in England) eventually changed the spelling of his name to Kearney in the latter years of his life. The two spellings seem to be interchangeable in many of the records I have seen! Have you thought of looking up your relative with the "Kearney" surname? Just a thought!
Deborah