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Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
« on: Thursday 04 February 10 16:54 GMT (UK) »
I'm really stuck with a member of my husbands family. 

The family story goes that he was brought up as Jimmy Dee and only, when he was about to marry, he looked at his birth certificate and found out that he was actually a James Mockler and used that name from then on. 

This last bit can't be true, my research so far:

    Birth
    [li]Have spoken to the 3 registry offices that could have dealt with his birth, none have a James Mockler registered as being born in the years around his birth date (approximately 1908).  [/li]
    [li]A family bible was discovered and gave a date of birth of 14th July 1909, a request was made to the registry offices again and one James born on that day was found - the father was listed and WASN'T his father (another James Mockler) so this has been initially dismissed.  The registrar wouldn't give me the name unless I stumped up cash[/li]
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      1911 Census
      [li]Listed as 3 years old and living with his Father (James Mockler, a lodger), his Aunt (Catherine Dee nee Mockler) and her husband James Dee[/li]
      [li]We assume that if he did go by the name Jimmy Dee it would have been that his father left him to be brought up by Aunt but this can't be confirmed until the next census so it's just an idea [/li]
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        Marriage
        [li]Obtained Marriage Certificate - he is listed as James Mockler, gives no indication as to date of birth[/li]
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          Death
          [li]Obtained Death Certificate - he is listed as James Mockler, states he was 50 at time of death (3rd Feb 1958)[/li]
          [/list]

          My problem
          I need to determine his birth properly but I've not got anything to go on or have I?  I'm hoping someone here can point me in the right direction as the next place to look.  He obviously wasn't born a James Mockler so I'm guessing he'd have been registered under the mothers name and then at some point found himself living with his father.
          He could have officially changed his name to James Mockler - can I get hold of deed poll records?

          Please someone help, he's keeping me up at night!


          Charlick - East End London
          Walker - North East England
          Mockler - Ireland/Wales/NE England
          Dodds - NE England
          Dennis - Hull
          Stephenson - Hull

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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 February 10 16:57 GMT (UK) »
          In 1911 how old is dad, James Mockler
          And where does it say little James was born?

          2 possible births on FreeBMD
          Jan/Feb/Mar 1908
          MArylebone 1a 504
          James Joseph Mockler

          Jul/Aug/Sep 1906
          West Derby 8b 408
          JAmes Mockler

          At some point you will have to "stump up cash" or you will not solve this!
          Geting the cert for the James with the exact birth date that matched the family bible might not have been such a bad idea (though I cant see it in the birth indexes). Too much of a coincidence to have exactly the right name and the right birthdate I would have thought! Perhaps dad was known by a middle name or something so the name on the cert didnt exactly match "James" ....
          Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
          DeBoo - London
          Green - Suffolk
          Parker - Sussex
          Kemp - Essex
          Farrington - Essex
          Boniface - West Sussex

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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 February 10 17:03 GMT (UK) »
          James Mockler the Elder was 42

          James Mockler junior was born in Stockton on Tees, Durham - They've checked their records for me, I've also checked all the registry offices that surround that area
          Charlick - East End London
          Walker - North East England
          Mockler - Ireland/Wales/NE England
          Dodds - NE England
          Dennis - Hull
          Stephenson - Hull

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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 February 10 17:09 GMT (UK) »
          I wonder if this marriage is significant?

          Oct/Nov/Dec 1908
          Stockton 10 a 127
          James Edward Mockler
          brides either Edith Dunn or Ada Spence
          Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
          DeBoo - London
          Green - Suffolk
          Parker - Sussex
          Kemp - Essex
          Farrington - Essex
          Boniface - West Sussex

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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 February 10 17:15 GMT (UK) »
           I presume this is James the elder in 1881
           
           Thomas MOCKLER   Head   age  48   born Ireland
           Catherine MOCKLER   Wife  age 46   born Ireland       
           Patrick MOCKLER   Son  age 23 born Cardiff     
           Michael MOCKLER   Son  age 19  born Cardiff   
           Nora MOCKLER   Daughter age  17   born Cardiff   
           James MOCKLER   Son   age 14   born Cardiff   
           Bridget MOCKLER   Daughter age  11   born Stockton, Durham 

          living at
          10 Bath St, Stockton On Tees
           RG11 /  4895  folio 77 page  3

          Rosie
           
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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 February 10 17:16 GMT (UK) »
          I compared a few marriage certificates from around the right time but I could always find another James Mockler that would fit the bill as the husband.  

          I will double check that I've already looked at that one though.  Thank you.


          Yes, that is the James Mockler Elder, I've traced him back through the censuses to his birth in Wales
          Charlick - East End London
          Walker - North East England
          Mockler - Ireland/Wales/NE England
          Dodds - NE England
          Dennis - Hull
          Stephenson - Hull

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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 February 10 17:18 GMT (UK) »

          Yes, that is the James Mockler Elder, I've traced him back through the censuses to his birth in Wales

          So was he single in 1901?

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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 February 10 17:19 GMT (UK) »
          Oh - had just found his birth

          I see no middle name ... so maybe the 1908 marriage isnt relevant
          Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
          DeBoo - London
          Green - Suffolk
          Parker - Sussex
          Kemp - Essex
          Farrington - Essex
          Boniface - West Sussex

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          Re: Stuck at James Mockler/Jimmy Dee
          « Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 February 10 17:23 GMT (UK) »
          Quote from: rosie99 So was he single in 1901?
          [quote

          seems so Rosie

          RG13 4625 147 29

          with mother Catherine, and single sister also Catherine
          in Stockton

          And Catherine does indeed marry James Dee in 1907
          Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
          DeBoo - London
          Green - Suffolk
          Parker - Sussex
          Kemp - Essex
          Farrington - Essex
          Boniface - West Sussex

          census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk