Logan family - East Lothian

[Magian]

Does anyone recognise this Logan family from the 1991 census at Prestonkirk, East Linton?

David Logan     Head  aged 54
Helen Logan     wife   aged 54
Thomas Logan Barley Miller aged 18
John Logan      Rural Postman aged 15
Helen Logan    Scholar aged 12

The older children (David, Alexander, Margaret and James had left home at this stage)
The census claims that Thomas, John and Helen were born in East Linton but there is no record of them on Scotland's People. 
David (father) states he was born in Paisley but again no record. The only one I can trace is Helen (wife) who was born in Edinburgh.

Any help would be appreciated.
Magian

[hume]

Hi Magian,

These records show as extracted on the IGI.

David LOGAN Marriage: 28th September 1868
Spouse: Helen BRYSON

Born to David and Helen:

Margaret Allan Wood LOGAN, b. 15th August 1869 North Berwick/Dirleton (registered at both)
James LOGAN, b. 26th September 1871 Dirleton
David Alexander LOGAN, b. 16th January 1874 Prestonkirk

The following births are from the SP index. East Linton was in the parish of Prestonkirk.

1877 Alexander LOGAN, reg. Prestonkirk
1882 Thomas LOGAN, reg. Prestonkirk
1886 John LOGAN, reg. Prestonkirk
1888 Helen LOGAN, reg. Prestonkirk

hume

[hume]

David and Helen show in the Prestonkirk MIs.

"ERECTED BY DAVID LOGAN TAILOR IN MEMORY OF HIS WIFE HELEN BRYSON WHO
DIED 18--- FEB 1905 ALSO THE ABOVE DAVID LOGAN WHO DIED 7 AUG 1912 He that
believeth in me though he were dead yet shall he live JOH[N] XI [25]"

If you purchase either David's marriage or death certificate from SP, it will hopefully give you his parents' names and help you find a birth/baptism for him.

hume

[Magian]

Thanks for this Hume.
I have David's death and marriage certificates and know the names of his parents (James and Margaret Somerville).

I just can't find David's birth record anywhere or his parents marriage. Strange family when it comes to recording events - James Logan (the grandfather)died post 1968 but I can find him anywhere either. Been trying for years!

I'll get the certs for the Prestonkirk crew.
Magian

[hume]

Hi Magian,

Got two possibles for David in 1861 ...

One boarding in Kirkintilloch aged 15 and b. Barchester, Renfrewshire. Transcribed by our favourite indexers. Definitely needs a check on SP. Occupation is taylor [sic] so matches up.

The other is a bit older, 20 and lodging at Market Street, Haddington. He's a tailor but his birthplace is Glasgow. Age and details could be off if they were only given as a guess by the head.

Have you been able to find them in 1871? I had a quick scan but couldn't see anything promising.

hume

[Magian]

Hi Hume

well I followed up on these certificates at Prestonkirk so things are coming together there. I'm working forward to their marriages and deaths now hoping to find cousins of my grandmother.

According to the information I have, David was born around 1847 in Paisley but that can vary between Glasgow and  Renfrewshire depending on the document. That would match up with the age of 15 (1846), so I will definately get on to that trail.

The 20-year old in Haddington is also promising.

I have the 1881 and 1891 census information.

You have been a great help.

Magian 

[Magian]

Hi Hume

Chased up the clues you suggested but unfortunately they haven't shed any solid answers as yet.

Barchester is Barrhead!

The 15 year old David Logan is closest to the information I have yet the 20 year old would give me something to go on with a family in the West (just the mother's name doesn't fit in here). For it to tie in nicely (and there are several points in its favour), the married father (James) would have had to have conceived David Logan with a lover (Margaret), bang smack in the middle of his legal children. This would explain the elusive wedding certificate for James Logan and Margaret Somerville and birth cert for David Logan - see what I mean about tying in nicely. I do have a vivid imagination!!
Time to re-think!

Best regards
Magian

[hume]

Hi Maigan,

What occupation did David give for his father on his marriage certificate? On David's death certificate, James Logan was a weaver (deceased) but I wonder if the other document could give a better idea.

There is a James and Margaret Logan having children around the time in Paisley, but Margaret's maiden surname was Crawford. Not one likely to be confused with Somerville unfortunately.

They had 4 children per the IGI. Robert's birth is submitted.

James LOGAN, b. 1842 Paisley
Elizabeth Scott LOGAN, b. 1844 Paisley
John Crawford LOGAN, b. 1845 Paisley
Robert Crawford LOGAN, b. 1857 Hutchesontown, Glasgow

This James and Margaret married 1841 in Paisley.

hume

[Magian]

On the marriage certificate James was listed as ex 92nd Gordon Highlanders. I obtained his discharge papers from Kew which records his intentions as moving to Edinburgh as a weaver.
James was still alive when David married Helen Bryson so I know he was around post 1868.
I reckon James was born around 1820.
Know you'll see why this particular area of research has eluded me for so long!!

Louise