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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 07 February 10 09:07 GMT (UK) »
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He appeared on the 1841 census, can't find him in 1851 and in 1861 his wife was shown as widowed. I have no idea what ship he was on at all.


Then that might be a problem. You do need to know the name of the vessel. Then you can find the Official Number and search the records at the Maritime history archive in New Foundland to see if they hold the agreements for that particular vessel in that particular year.
http://www.mun.ca/mha/

http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php

I have no idea why they're held there. The Nat Maritime Museum here told me that it was decided that there needed to be one repository for such things, so they let them all go, except a small sample - agreements lodged in years ending in 0 or 5.  Seems a bit mad to me, but what do I know - they wouldn't do it for no good reason now would they  ::)

But don't give up yet, you may be lucky and be able to find his name on a list somewhere - especially if he died off the Newfoundland coast!  Actual crew indexes are few and far between online for some unfathomable reason (someone is missing a trick somewhere I'd say!). But, as you probably know, there are some at Find My Past (only a small percentage of what's actually available sadly) so you could try there. (they were originally available at CLIP, but FindMyPast bought them I think.

But your best bet is probably this this -
http://www.mun.ca/mha/publications.php#New
it's a little expensive, (which is why I haven't bought it yet  >:() and there's no guarantees he's listed, but you might want to give it a shot. (I have no idea why they've put it on cd rather than making it fully accessible online - what are we living in, the dark ages?  ::)  )

If you don't want to go to that expense just yet, I'd suggest, if it was a fishing vessel he was on,  and you know it disappeared in Newfoundland waters between c1841 and 1861, I'd suggest concentrating your efforts on the newspapers. Losses were posted by Lloyds so you should easily come up with several likely names in the period.  Then you can probably narrow it down further by eeking out all the unlikely vessels - or the most likely ones, such as those from what were his most likely home ports. Perhaps his name will pop up in one of the reports, or perhaps an inquiry may have been held...? That would give you a potential name for a vessel, for which you can find an official number, and then you're back to finding out whether the agreements are held in the NF archive or here, in the NMM.

I hope that helps. Regards, Ann














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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 07 February 10 11:08 GMT (UK) »
 

Ann, I  found this particularly interesting as someone who had done extensive research into part of my ancestry said that my seaman was a deep sea fisherman off the coast of Newfoundland. Is there any particular reason why the records are held in the Newfoundland archives? It sounds a good place for me to investigate but how do I go about that?
He appeared on the 1841 census, can't find him in 1851 and in 1861 his wife was shown as widowed. I have no idea what ship he was on at all.


I have a CD Rom compiled by MUN with the names and details of 182000 seafarers of Atlantic Canada. Crewlists begin in 1863 but details of vessels go's back till 1787.  May be worth a quick search. If you can give me a name and date and place of birth. 
A third database contains a one per cent sample of crew agreements from non-Canadian (British) vessels which was compiled for comparative purposes. The data is arranged in the same format as the file described above and contains 85,000 records of individual seamen and 19,000 records of masters.







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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 07 February 10 11:25 GMT (UK) »
Seaweed, you may be sorry you mentioned that - you might find yourself beseiged!

And I'll be first in the queue!

Ann

(If you see any Carrick's in your searches, please let me know  ;) )


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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 February 10 11:39 GMT (UK) »
 Daniel born Limerick
Duncan     Rothesay
Francis    Sunderland
J T           Germany
4 John's all Dublin
John James  Dublin
Phillip   St John NB

All recorded after 1863
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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 February 10 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Blimey, you're kidding!

Duncan is mine! I wasn't expecting that!

Is there anymore information attached?

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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 February 10 11:42 GMT (UK) »
He's a brother of my 3x great grandfather (also a mariner who was born in Rothesay in 1850 - the family lived there til about 1870)  and I've been looking for him everywhere. 

Any information you can give me would be wonderful.

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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 February 10 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Oh thank you Ann and seaweed, you've been marvellously helpful.

My ancestor was James BELL, the only information I have about him is that his birthplace was shown as Devon in the 1841 census. He and his family lived in Topsham which used to be the seaport for Exeter, so I would expect that's where he sailed from.

I would be absolutely over the moon if you could find anything for me seaweed. Fingers crossed!
Bell, Salter, Street - Devon, Middlesbrough.
Lickess- North Yorkshire, Middlesbrough.
Etherington - North Yorks and Durham.
Barker- North Yorks
Crooks- Durham
Forster- North Yorks/Durham
Newsam, Pattison, Proud - North Yorks.
Timothy, Griffiths, Jones - South Wales

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Re: Merchant seamen
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 February 10 15:44 GMT (UK) »
PS, James was born in about 1800 but that could be 5 or more years out.
Bell, Salter, Street - Devon, Middlesbrough.
Lickess- North Yorkshire, Middlesbrough.
Etherington - North Yorks and Durham.
Barker- North Yorks
Crooks- Durham
Forster- North Yorks/Durham
Newsam, Pattison, Proud - North Yorks.
Timothy, Griffiths, Jones - South Wales

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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 February 10 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Blimey, you're kidding!

Duncan is mine! I wasn't expecting that!

Is there anymore information attached?

DUNCAN CARRICK
Age 33
Born Rothesay
He was able to write his own name on the crew agreement
He was paid £3.00 advance of wages
Joined the ship CASHIER official number 72178 in Harve Friday 31st Oct 1879
Rank Able Seaman
He deserted the ship in New York City Friday 02 Jan 1880.

Do you want details of the vessel and the captain and owners?
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