1851-1841 census lookup/Stephens

[Barbara.H]

Hi He is listed on Cesus that I have as a Carter for Corporation so dont think this is him.Could you tell me how you trace a birth before 1837 as William was born before 1837 he not on civil registration if I could find this it might give some more information.Thanks for all your help.

Ian

well you're doing it already really, just work back very slowly from what you already know, which at the moment is born c.1834 Manchester, earliest known address 16 Ashton St in 1856.

You could try the dtreet directories next  http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbykeyword.asp
for either Ashton St 1850s and before, or the name Stephens, or the father's occupation surveyor (which is a bit different so I would be hopeful of Samuel turning up one day   ).  I did find an Ashton St off Lower Byrom St, and that is in the Deansgate area

I would say though that if my rellies are anything to go by, you can't always rely on people marking their fathers as 'deceased' on marriage certs. I think that's up to the vicar or registrar, and not all of them put 'deceased' down. So if it was me I would keep open mind on Samuel being still alive in 1856, just in case.

  Barbara

[Richard Knott]

A possible sighting of William in 1841:

HO107/582/8
Manchester
Hariott Stephen, 20-24 (indexed as Chalotte but I think it's Hariott)
Wm Stephen, 5

If this is the right William, and if Hariott/Charlott is his mother, she may have (re)married so that both are under another name in 1851.

I thought I had it when I came across a John Norton, 25-29, dyer married to Elizabeth in 1841 (HO107/580/12) and a John Norton, dyer, 38, married to a Hariet, 33, with two children: William, 14 and Frederick, 3 in 1851. It had all the hallmarks of a second marriage, but the only John Norton/Harriet marriage I can find is one in 1846 to Harriet Walmsley. It may be her maiden name, but is looking increasingly unlikely.

I have posted this on another thread which shows that the New Zealand Samuel is unlikely to be this Samuel:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=509607.msg3665203#msg3665203

...together with these Manchester marriages, neither of which seem very likely.

1817:  Samuel Stephens, 23 m Caroline Bowes, 26 they had a child, Mariah, in 1818, but that leaves quite a gap until 1834.

1826: Samuel Stephens m Jane Capper. They had Elizabeth, 1829 and John Harris, 1828; but he was described as a painter in 1826.

Richard

[briancowings]

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Hi Could somebody do a lookup in the 1841 and 1851 census for a
William Stephens born about 1834 Manchester ? Fathers name Samuel Stephens have found him on the 1861/1871/1881 and 1901 Censuses but cant locate hin before this can anybody help with this.

Ian