George son of Dowager BRUMMITT

[Alexander.]

I am unsure whether to post this on the Lincolnshire or Nottinghamshire boards, but Lincs seems most likely at the moment.

I have traced my BRUMMITT ancestors back to a George BRUMMITT who married Sarah ROBINSON in London in 1769. The marriage record states that George was of Warsop, Notts., where they returned to and had seven children. Fortunately, in one year (1777) the Warsop parish registers contain an immense amount of detail. For the daughter Ann baptised in that year, they recorded her grandfather as Dowager BRUMMITT. However even with this information I can't find a baptism for George. I know from the IGI that there was a Dowager BRUMMITT - strange name, I know - in Lincoln around the 1730s and 40s, who I am guessing was George's father. Any help in proving this would be great.

Thanks,
Alexander

Edit: I should note that a common surname variant for Brummitt was BROMHEAD.

[ironfloor]

Hello,
In my research I have found a Dowager Brummitt who married 'Shipley' on 24th July 1741, unfortunately I cannot link this to my other Dowager Brummitt, brother of Bartholomew Brummitt (direct line) who were born in Lincoln in 1774 and 1776 respectively.
My Dowager and Bartholomew were the sons of Bartholomew Brummitt and Henrietta Grist, who married at St.Mary Magdalen, Lincoln in 1771. (they had a younger brother called George but the dates are wrong)

With Dowager being such an unusual name I thought I would respond. Hope that's OK?
Regards

[Geoff-E]

In my research I have found a Dowager Brummitt who married 'Shipley' on 24th July 1741

Edith SHIPLEY.  My index has the marriage as June.

[Alexander.]

Hi ironfloor, thanks for your message. With the new Lincs to the Past website coming online I made quite a breakthrough on my Brummitt line. I’m sure some of this will be helpful for you. I’ll start from the beginning and work down as that seems easiest. It is somewhat speculation working out the relationships as there are a couple missing baptisms, but I quite sure I’ve got it right. Let me know what you think.

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John BROMHEAD married Elizabeth DOWAGER on 24 Nov 1695 at Lincoln St. Paul. Elizabeth appears to have been baptised at Scampton, Lincs on 5 Jun 1677, the daughter of John DOWAGER and Penelope (nee CARTER).

The first baptism of their children (spelled variously as Bromhead and Brummet) that I can find is in 1707, but it is highly unlikely that they waited twelve years to have their first child. The children I do have for them are Penelope (bap. 23 Apr 1707), Mary (bap. 12 Feb 1715), and George (bap. 19 Feb 1717), all baptised at Lincoln St. Nicholas.

I think it is very likely that one of the older children born between 1695 and 1707 would have been the first Dowager BRUMMITT. The surname Dowager seemed to be dying out as both of Elizabeth's older brothers died in childhood. Anyway it was a rather uncommon surname. This Dowager married Edith SHIPLEY as you mentioned in your message. Like Geoff I have the marriage down as 24 Jun 1741. I believe Dowager was buried 8 Apr 1781 in Lincoln.

So the children I’ve found for Dowager and Edith (all baptised at Lincoln St. Nicholas):
1.   Elizabeth, bap. 16 May 1742 – prob. died in infancy
2.   (male) (unnamed in register), bap. 3 Feb 1745 – prob. died in infancy
3.   TWINS George, bap. 21 Sep 1747
4.                Bartholomew, bap. 21 Sep 1747, bur. 20 Apr 1812
5.   Elizabeth, bap. 11 Feb 1749, bur. 3 May 1760
6.   Ann, bap. 1752, bur. 2 Apr 1765
7.   John, bap. 31 Aug 1755, bur. 16 Jan 1756
8.   Dowager, bap. 15 Oct 1757, bur. 12 Feb 1770

The twins George & Bartholomew are our common interest. I feel George is the man I was searching for in my original post, who married Sarah Robinson in London. Bartholomew almost certainly married Henrietta Grest.


What do you think?

Regards
Alexander

[ironfloor]

Hi Alexander,
Thank you for all the information. I was over in Lincoln on Tuesday at the Family History Centre, but ran out of time, so will need to go again.
 
My great, great grand father David HERD married Caroline Brummitt. One of their two sons, Robert William HERD married my GGrandm Eliza Frood - of the FROOD/ FERODO BRAKE Company started by Eliza's brother Herbert. (He invented the brake lining)
It appears, from Census documents and family mutterrings that Robert William deserted Eliza, and their four children (one being my grandma Elsie) leaving them in the workhouse in Sculcoates, Hull.

After the birth of their youngest -Elsie- in 1898 their is no trace of him -  I have no death record, looked at emmigration and it was this enquiry that brought me ib to the Brummitt dynasty. If you have any ideas about lines of enquiry I would be obliged.
I have a blog which might inform:

http://froodfamily.blogspot.com/

Thanks again for the information.
Regards
Stuart