Taylor in Gateshead - COMPLETED THANKS

[Demeter]

Hi,

I wonder if anybody can give me an opinion about this please?  I wasn't too sure about which board to put this on, Northumberland or Durham, as it relates to both.

My g-grandmother, Ann Young, married William Taylor in St john the Baptist, Walker on 1 January 1870.

The marriage certificate gives the name of her father as John Young, occupation Cordwainer.

According to census returns for Ann & William Taylor, Ann was born in Gateshead.

The best match I can find for her father John, is a John Yoing, born in Heworth in 1816, married to Hannah, who was also born in 1816.  The 1861 census return for John & Hannah gives his occupation as Labourer and Hannah's place of birth as Ponteland.

The only marriage I can find that looks like it might fit John & Hannah is a John Young to Hannah Dixon in Gateshead 1841 (vol 24 pg 93).  The problem is, I can't find any trace of a Hannah Dixon born in Ponteland in 1816 - the nearest match I can see is a Hannah Dixon baptised in All Saints, Newcastle in 1814.

Before I go ahead and order a birth certificate, I wonder if any Rootschatters can give me an opinion about whether it's likely that I'm on the right track here?

Thanks

Dem 

[c-side]

Hi Dem,

Is it Hannah's birth cert. you are talking about ordering?  If so, there won't be one - none before 1837.

Bear in mind not all baptism records are online - where have you looked?

Christine

[Demeter]

Hi Cside,

Sorry for not being clear.  I was thinking about ordering a  a marriage cert for John and Hannah.  I've only looked online up to now.  Visiting T&W archives is difficult as it's only open one Saturday a month

Dem

[Ecneps]

I would start with Ann's birth certificate, or baptism, which should give Hannah's maiden name, (edit, Hannah may not be her mother's first name!!)  before you look for her parents' marriage certificate.

Have you already looked for this?  If you find a couple of likely candidates, the local register offfice should be able to confirm any known facts eg father's name and occupation, before you buy the certificate
Gateshead council have an online bmd search: 
http://online.gateshead.gov.uk/bmd/default.aspx

Cordwainer is another name for shoemaker, so John is unlikely to have been a labourer


Barbara 

[Demeter]

Thanks Barbara :-)

Part of the reason why I suspect it could be the right family is that names have been passed down (though in a family with fairly common names that's no guarantee).

I have thought about ordering the certificate, but the only real possibility as far as I can tell is the Ann Young I've mentioned in my post, but there is the problem that if it's the same Ann, then her father wasn't a cordwainer on the census that I've found.  I'm a bit reluctant to spend money on a certificate at this point if I can avoid it, but as you say that might be the solution.

Dem

[c-side]

Have you got Ann's approx. year of birth to narrow down the search for her birth certificate?

Christine

[Ecneps]

1849 Gateshead if she's the one with husband William and daughter Elizabeth on 1871 census 

There are two possibilities for her birth on freebmd, and as I said, you can check with Gateshead register office for her father's name before buying the certificate.
Sep 1848   Gateshead    24   147
Dec 1850    Gateshead    24   165
The Gateshead council website may have others

Barbara

[Ecneps]

Can't see a baptism for Ann on durhamrecordsonline
Have you looked at the Durham Bishops' Transcripts online?

Struggling to find a John Young, cordwainer on any census 



Barbara

[Demeter]

Thanks Christine and Barbara,

The only clue I have for Ann's birth date is the 1911 census return, which gives her age as 51, so I'm looking around 1849 - 1852 to give some margin for error, but maybe my margin isn't big enough  .

Thanks for the two possible registrations, I'll follow those up.

I've looked at the Bishop's transcripts but couldn't see anything.  The only Gateshead parish I could see for those years was Gateshead Fell and she definately wasn't on there, but I've heard that the transcripts weren't kept so rigourously after the introduction of certificates.

Chris - I've had the same problem with John Young - I can't find a cordwainer in any census record.  i do know that cordwainers were pretty poor though, so I suppose it would have been possible that he switched from one to the other at some point.  It does make it difficult to tie Ann to a particular John Young though.

Dem