Blackwell

[John Blackwell]

 
Have traced dad's ancestors back to 1795 via censuses (should that be censii?), am struggling to find:-
1) Birth, marriage death records, without paying hefty fees. Only have years of birth (within 1 year) from census.
2) Cannot decipher some occupations, employers, etc from handwriting on forms.
Family originated from Sheepshed (now Shepshed) in Leicestershire. One firm's name looks like St P N K (Cotton)
Also, if anyone is trying to trace the Barker family of Leicestershire, have records back to late 1600's.

[suzard]

would you like to post names and y.o.b. and which census you are having difficulty reading???

Maybe we can help

There is a William Blackwell c.1825 living  Shepshed and later Loughborough  -his occupation was Frame Work Knitter - usually written as F.W.K. and sometimes Cotton, wool or silk follows this -depending on what kind of yarn they used-sometimes it will state cotton hose/silk hose -mainly it just states F.W.K. Could this be your P.N.K.

You can look up free on FreeBMD for registrations from Sept qtr 1837 - usually you can work out the correct person from p.o.b.

Pre 1837 you have to look in parish records

The IGI -free at familysearch is useful for baptism dates -trustworthy are the extracted records - treat "member submitted" records with caution.

Unfortunately you need to purchase "key " certificates for full information (£7 from G.R.O.) or visit the records offices

Why not post exactly what you are looking for on here -names, dates, etc- someone may have the answer -or at least be able to tell you where certificates ar e necessary (always a good idea if you can purchase some )

What do you mean by "one firm looks like St P.N.K. (Cotton)" ?

If If this is a from a census form, census do not usually (1841-1901) give the name of the "firm" -just the occupation and then whether "worker" or "employer"

Suz

[John Blackwell]

  Thanks for that Suz.
Census is 1861 for Shepshed. Ref RG 9/2276 Page 47, Entry 34 - Charles Blackwell.
You could be right with 'Framework knitter', but what is the "St" that appears before initials?
Have used FreeBMD but does not give enough detail, and often, a search does not produce anything at all.
There was a William ( born app 1826) appearing on 1841 census as older sibling of direct descendant (Charles) of my father. So if you can give me sources for him, can add detail to tree.
Can I visit records offices and get detail without purchasing copy certificates? If so, where is the nearest to Loughborough.

[suzard]

Hi,

Have just checked census - Charles Occupation is F.W.K. (cotton)=Frame Work Knitter
before it does say (what looks like) "St"

if you look at other occupations on page -some of them (mainly seamstresses) have what looks like "St" before them - although I think it is "H" -which could mean "home" - as apposed to "Factory" or "hose"

FreeBMD gives enough information to be able to purchase certificate
maybe you are not looking in correct district or years.

Parish records are also a help

Everything is not on line -and FreeBMD is not complete as it is still being transcribed by volunteers -they are doing a brilliant job

yes you can visit record offices and no charge is made -only a photocopying charge- but it is not as easy as saying e.g. John Smith b abt 1860  married 1880
you will need to be more certain of where events took place -reg districts cover large areas-marriages can mean searching several churches.

You need to narrow the search as much as possible before a visit

Suz

I'll look up William

[suzard]

Do you have other documentation naming William as Charles brother??

As you know 1841 census does not give relationships -it just names who was in the house on census night their age (adults over 15 years ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years) and "yes" or "no" as to wether they were born in the county they were living in.

So although William is listed as being with John and Rebbeca and other children it doesn't necessarily mean William is their child.

IGI extracted -source Bishops transcripts for Sheepshed 1522-1892 C of E parish Church of Sheepshed there are these baptisms
All at Sheepshed Leics
All with parents John Blackwell and Rebekah
Charles Blackwell 16 Mar 1834
Rebeckah Blackwell 15 May 1836
John Blackwell 15 May 1827
Joseph Blackwell  16 April 1832 -died 28 May 1832
Elizabeth Blackwell 17 Nov 1861 adult christening -age 16 at date of christening


No william???

then there is IGI -extracted
William Blackwell christened 25 Dec 1825 Sheepshed leics
Parents William Blackwell and Rebbeckah

William is the only child I can find baptised to Wiliam and Rebecca

so did Rebecca (spelling varies) marry William Blackwell -William died and she then remarried to John???

or is the parentage on William's baptism/christening  an error???

sUZ

[suzard]

I have found this on IGI -although it is a member submitted record so should be treated with some cautiion

Marriage
15 Nov 1824 Sheepshed leics
Rebecca Cotton
John Blackwell

if this is correct then William could be their son

there is also this
IGI extracted
John Blackwell
christened 8 mar 1795
Medbourne Leics
Parents William Blackwell/Hannah

"Your" John Blackwell from 1851 consistently on census puts d.o.b. as 1795 and p.o.b. as medbourne

so if John's father was William it is quite possible at the baptism/christening an error occured and William (son of John) 's father was entered as William???

You can look at this yourself free at www.familysearch.org

I hope you are finding this information helpful on how to search

before I post anymore I am going to ask poster "MikefromLeicester" to take a look as he is brilliant with things leicester based

Suz

[John Blackwell]

Thanks, that's great Suz.
I think I follow you. However I did find reference to a Blackwell living with grandfather, but can't remember where I found it now, but I think your assumption is probably right. They asked John for the father's name & he gave HIS father's name (William) possibly.
Am going to Loughborough Library on Tuesday to try & get more background with research volunteers.

[suzard]

Post back your findings -we love to help where we can

Suz

[Mike from Leicester]

Greeting’s. …Folks.

 Your mysterious Abv…… St.  :~

This is the Census enumerators shortening of :~ …… Stocking.
Which matches the occupation given for John on the 1861. Census returns

RG. 9. / 2276. / 30. / Page. 16.
That of Frame Work Knitter  Worsted Stocking.

Regarding the Marriage found by Suzard 1824. is a TRUE Record.

INDEX Transcription via my Early Leicestershire Marriages

Read thus :~ 

St: Botolph Parish Church.
Shepshed.
MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI. :~ 1824.

John Blackwell. ~ Rebecca Cotton.
15th. November.
By Banns.

John….
If you do go to the Loughborough Library this Tuesday
Then pay attention to the details of this Marriage.

 See if John was a Bachelor & if his Parish at the time of the marriage was Melbourne or it might just state of this Parish.

Also pay attention to Rebecca’s details to see if she too was a Spinster or a Widow ….this will determine if Rebecca was married before to a William.
( Although I can not see a Marriage of a William to a Rebecca  either in Shepshead or Melbourne.)

This relates to that Baptism event were a William Son of William & Rebecca Blackwell 1825.was Baptised 25th. December at Shepshed.

But like Suzard. .... I’m of the opinion that when John was asked
for the Father’s name….. John misunderstood the Clark / Minister and give His Fathers name William ………   instead of his own name of John.


This could be cleared up by having a close look at the Baptism Registers for St: Botolph’s 1825. at the Library.
Pay attention to details it usually reads thus :~

Registers Entry No’….. Date of Bapt. With the
William son of John & Rebecca.
Blackwell.
Abode …….Of Shepshed.
Fathers Occupation……..

And the end column is the name of the officiating Minster.


In the meantime here are the Burial details for both John & Rebecca.

St: Botolph Parish Church. Shepshed.

1865.
Parish Burial Register No’, 1849.

John Blackwell.
Abode. …Shepshed.
19th. September.
Aged. 70.

1875.
Register No’. 2330.
Rebecca Blackwell.
Abode……..Shepshed.
16th. December.
Aged. 73.

If your still are having problems after your visit to the Library this Tuesday
Just ask again and I’ll see what I can find out at my visit to the County Records Office this coming Thursday…….

MIKE……………..