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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 30 January 10 06:35 GMT (UK) »
Don't want to take away your searching fun but a look at QLD BDM will help ;)

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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 30 January 10 07:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

Samuel Owen's trial was at Warwick Assizes, 31 March 1821.
Also tried on that date and place and also sentenced to Life were: Michael Lawley, Duncan Kennedy and Thomas Watts. 
Also, NO mention of the crime on the image of the Mary II's 1822 muster. 

Will check for Sarah next  ;)

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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 30 January 10 07:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

Sarah Williams trial was at Liverpool Borough 17 July 1826.  Also tried same date/place and sentence of 7 years were:
Betty Bowker, Elizabeth Drewitt, Ann Farran, Margaret the wife of Josiah Jackson, Mary Ann Johnson.  Also, NO mention of the crime on the Grenada's 1827 muster.

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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 30 January 10 07:38 GMT (UK) »

This detail is terrific...I had not expected so much. It seems that i can now do some research about birth details in the old country, which is a bonus and may push my tree back another generation or more!
  i really couldn't be more pleased with this help.

It seems that Samuel and wife went onto QLD at some time I think. There are a number of mentions on the digital newspaper site and the Qld BDm records his death in 1857.
I have some reading to do!
Thank you all this is great
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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 30 January 10 07:45 GMT (UK) »
There are three listings on the following: Queensland Early Pioneers Index 1824-1859

Samuel Owen 21 October 1847 British (Scottish/Irish) convict

There are two other listings in Feb and March 1849

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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 30 January 10 07:51 GMT (UK) »
I've been looking at both the NSW and Qld births and it is a tad confusing, a lot of births to Samuel and Sarah. :-\

Hard to pinpoint the date he was at that first pub in Qld.

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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 30 January 10 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Yes the NSW bdm is perplexing. My ancestor is Eliza Jane Laidley Owens who was born 20 Apr 1843 at Laidley (then Laidley Plains) Queensland; her parents being Samuel Owen(s) and Sarah Williams.

However, 1843 is a long time after a marriage in 1827 and those other births in 1829 and 1831 might be more likely  for a couple marreid in 1827... maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree with this samuel and Sarah?? :-[. i have a doubt.

But i found this, which connects  a Samuel Owens to my Eliza Jane Laidley Owens

THE EARLY DAYS PIONEERS AND PIONEERING ON THE DARLING DOWNS BY WILLIAM JOHN BEST GRAY
http://www.emerge.net.au/~santarem/gray/stories/stories.html

...... I suppose they will not believe it when they are told that we had, in the early forties, a mail coach running from Brisbane to Gatton to the hotel kept by a Mr Walter Smith. A man by the name of Samuel Owens, an overseer of Mr Thomas Bell's of Bellmount, near Richmond, N.S.W. brought stock of Mr Bell's from the Big River and formed a Station on Laidley Creek and then he started the coach........A man by the name of Richard Lovell came over with Owens as a Bullock -Driver, and he was the man chosen by Owens to drive the coach. The coach after a short time out a failure, through bad roads or some other cause of which I know nothing about, and Owens left Laidley, where he had resided as overseer for Mr Bell, and he went over the little Liverpool Range and built a public house sixteen miles from Ipswich, at a place then known as the Old Man's Waterhole on the Ipswich Road.



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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 30 January 10 08:40 GMT (UK) »
Did you find Eliza Jane Laidley's marriage record?

It is under surname LAIDLEY :D on QLD BDM

Yes I agree, I'm sure some of those NSW births are theirs too. There is definitely an Edmund mentioned in the papers at Ipswich but there is one born NSW 1831 and one born QLD  :-\

There is a tree on An**stry but I'm not sure the children are ALL correct.

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Re: Convict permission to marry
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 30 January 10 08:43 GMT (UK) »
Someone with access to school records might help with who was at school in NSW ;)
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