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Tracing a family in Hungary - STAMPFER
« on: Wednesday 27 January 10 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I was going to start a new thread, but saw this one so I hope you don't mind me hijacking it!

I have come to a complete full stop regarding my Hungarian ancestor. I only know his name, his father's name, his approximate year of birth (from census info) and that he was from Hungary and Jewish!

He was my great great grandfather, Sigismund/Sigismond Stampfer, born about 1844. His father's name was Moritz Stampfer. He married Mary Amelia Adelaide Good in Southwark on 4th April 1874. That is the first record of him being in England that I can find. Obviously, I have plenty of information on his subsequent time in this country.

Unfortunately, my grandfather, the only person who may have helped, died a few years ago. I have some idea that he  was from Budapest but that isn't definite. My grandfather did used to say that he came to England to flee pegrums, but that doesn't really narrow it down.

The Hungarian Archives have told me I can't do any kind of search without knowing an exact date of birth and place of birth! I don't want to come to a dead end, as I am really interested to find this information out.

I hope someone can help.



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Re: Tracing a family in Hungary - where to begin ?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 January 10 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Serena, welcome to Rootschat and please forgive me for asking you a question rather than helping with yours.
I was interested in your comment about 'the Hungarian archives' and wondered how you found them?
My husband's great grandmother and her sister were both born in Hungary of an English father and a French mother, and all their records in later life gave their birthplace as Hungary but described as 'British Subject'.
I just wondered what archives you had contacted - like you, I have a dead end on this one so far
Again - apologies for asking rather than assisting
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Re: Tracing a family in Hungary - where to begin ?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 January 10 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Serena, welcome to Rootschat and please forgive me for asking you a question rather than helping with yours.
I was interested in your comment about 'the Hungarian archives' and wondered how you found them?
My husband's great grandmother and her sister were both born in Hungary of an English father and a French mother, and all their records in later life gave their birthplace as Hungary but described as 'British Subject'.
I just wondered what archives you had contacted - like you, I have a dead end on this one so far
Again - apologies for asking rather than assisting
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The archives are the National Archives of Hungary and you can email them on info@mol.gov.hu

Also, they gave me a link to search for names in Budapest but it is in Hungarian! Link is: http://lear3.bparchiv.hu/kozponti/simplesearch.html

I hope that helps a bit :)

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Re: Tracing a family in Hungary - where to begin ?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 January 10 23:07 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Serena, but I can't help feeling that whilst we all help each other giving so much assistance in your first postings is taking it a bit far!

Much appreciated, and I hope I can return the favour for you sometime.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 January 10 23:28 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Serena, but I can't help feeling that whilst we all help each other giving so much assistance in your first postings is taking it a bit far!

Much appreciated, and I hope I can return the favour for you sometime.


That's okay :) I'm only a beginner at this game but I've spent a lot of online time trying to trace people!

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Re: Tracing a family in Hungary - STAMPFER
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 January 10 07:24 GMT (UK) »
Maggie - your husband's ancestor was British by virtue of his father's nationality. You don't give dates but almost certainly Hungary at that time was 3x the size it is now and included (for example) what we now think of as Croatia and Slovakia. However, most likely he would have been born in Budapest. As well as the well-known and incomplete GRO BMDs overseas (available on www.findmypast.com for example), there are a few registers of the British overseas at TNA Kew and at London Guildhall. To be honest, I think it unlikely that you will find him there though. If you send me a PM with extra info, I could perhaps give it further thought.

Serena - it may be possible to track down Mr Stampfer's birth etc in Hungary, as I don't believe the name is especially common and it may well be localised. Many extended Hungarian Jewish families in business had a presence throughout the country and it would be normal for them to have at least a branch in Budapest. Searches would be speculative and time-consuming until the exact place of birth was established; however, once that happens, it should be possible to make good progress. Send me a PM if you wish.
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Re: Tracing a family in Hungary - STAMPFER
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 May 13 10:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Serena,
I was going to make a few encouraging suggestions because I have access to a number of Hungarian records, but your early time slot is a major problem. 

Hungarian State records for all Births, marriages and deaths only started in 1895, but by then your Stampfer ancestor had already been in the UK for 20 years.  There are some 30 Stampfer marriage records post that date, 8 burials and 7 name changes circa 1900.  The latter were usually Jews who hoped a name change would help the blend in rather than stand out, although Jewish persecution in the 1870s when your ancestor left was fairly low key. 

The Budapest State archives have 33 Stampfer documents deposited, and although there are some early references, the oldest document they have concerns an Adolph Stampfer dated 1892.   They also have numerous entries for Zsigmond Stampfer, but all too late for him to be yours.

There are two unrelated Stampfer entries on the Hungarian database of Death notices, although a database of Jewish cemetery records does include a Mor (=Moritz) from Cegléd who was too young to be a father of your Zsigmond but could have been a brother. 
1.Kaiser Bernátné Stampfer Sarolta 1867 1944   Kozma utca - Budapest   33B   2   28
2.Stampfer Edéné Neumann Karolin 1876 1926   Kozma utca - Budapest   40   15   57
3.Stampfer Mór                                  1858 1926   Cegléd   1   2   137
4.Stampfer Mór                               1922 1923   Kozma utca - Budapest   41   11   13
5.Weisz Simonné Stampfer Netty     1859 1924   Kozma utca - Budapest   40   40   52

The Viennese cemetery database (these often had ancestral ties to Budapest) has 7 Stampfers, but no obvious ties to the names you have given.  Do you know anything about Zsigmond's siblings? 

Your best bet would seem to initially be with the JEWISH GEN website, and looking for an entry for Zsigmond son of Mor Stampfer on the Hungarian census of 1868.

Yours Roy G,    from Budapest
Post script: I assume you know of the following in the UK archives?
WW1 Medal card of Stampfer, Sigismond H. Corps: Middlesex Regiment. Regiment No: G/97557. Rank: Private.
Also in the archives is a note from 1920 that Zsigmond's wife, Mary Amelia Adelaide Good FROM HUNGARY, became a naturalised British subject, but we were giver to understand from the 1881 census and later censuses, that she already was British?
RG.