In the presence of...

[josey]

Good thinking re STRATFORD...

Yes, I'd go with S.

[josey]

I suspect that this Catherine NELLES is either a possible daughter of James NELLES and Catherine STRATFORD (m. 18 Sep 1805 at St. Hilda's, South Shields according to the I.G.I. but the bishop transcript is missing) or Catherine got remarried. If she got remarried, I don't see why she would need her parents consent though so a daughter seems more likely.

Just a thought - if Catherine was a daughter of this marriage [1805] would she not be a bit young to be getting married in 1819?

Josey

[Nel86]

Just a thought - if Catherine was a daughter of this marriage [1805] would she not be a bit young to be getting married in 1819?

Josey

For what reason would the registrar mention parental consent other than her being under the age of consent?

I have a Maria Anna, christened as daughter to James NELLES and Catherine, born 12 Nov 1806. This Catherine married on 3 Sep 1819 - a 12 year, 9 month, 21 day gap.  Is Maria Anna a variant of Catherine?  The age of consent for girls in 1819 was 12, wasn't it?

I'm getting desperate now  I guess I will start trawling the B.T's to see if this Catherine and William FOX had any children (the I.G.I. only goes to Dec 1812  )

[josey]

For what reason would the registrar mention parental consent other than her being under the age of consent?

I have a Maria Anna, christened as daughter to James NELLES and Catherine, born 12 Nov 1806. This Catherine married on 3 Sep 1819 - a 12 year, 9 month, 21 day gap.  Is Maria Anna a variant of Catherine?  The age of consent for girls in 1819 was 12, wasn't it?

I didn't know that, thanks for the info. Now having looked it up I also didn't know it was changed to 13 as late as 1875.

Have you ever found William & Catherine on a census to know what age she said she was? Could it be that the child was baptised Maria Anna to satisfy the family name sequence, but was known as Catherine?

Josey

[Nel86]

Have you ever found William & Catherine on a census to know what age she said she was? Could it be that the child was baptised Maria Anna to satisfy the family name sequence, but was known as Catherine?

I haven't been able to find a William & Catherine FOX anywhere.

The only baptism in the I.G.I, in South Shields, for a William FOX is in Sep 1812 - which is obviously way too late. The mother however is an Ann Stote CROFTON....and there is a Robert Stote FOX in the 1881 census born circa 1820 in South Shields....which could be the son of William and Catherine?  Or maybe Stote is so common I am just chasing my tail.

By the way josey, your cats are beautiful.

[josey]

Thanks - they were a mother & 3 month old kitten rescued in July. The 'boy' is bigger than his mother now!!

[Redroger]

Yes, I'll go with a long S or a capital copperplate L. I like the cats too!

[gen newcastle]

hi i am the great great grandson of william nelles b1810 newcastle upon tyne can tell me how you fit into my family tree

[angela101]

Maria Anna was Mary Ann my gg grandmother. As it was a Catholic Baptism all names are in the latin version. She married Matthew Todd in 1837.

angela