Stirlingshire Cemetery Photos. Any Burden or Abercrombie graves, etal.

[apanderson]

Hi Bron,

Cousin Photographer is quite right.

To give you a better idea of the location of both Churchyards ......

Go to Multimap UK, (choose either road or aerial views) and key in the map reference NS794936, this is Holy Rude.

Change the map reference to NS796916, this is St. Ninian's

Or .....

Start at Holy Rude, follow the St. John Street until it becomes Spittal Street, then onto King Street.
King Street joins Port Street which then becomes St. Ninian's Road.
Follow St. Ninian's Road (B8051) which eventually becomes Main Street, until you come to a junction (with Weaver Row, Borestone Crescent and Kirk Wynd)

St. Ninian's Churchyards are located on Kirk Wynd and this is St. Ninian's.

Sounds a bit complicated, but once you've had a look at the map, you'll actually see how straightforward it is.

Anne

[apanderson]

There is/was another Burden stone in Holy Rude.

From the same publication previously mentioned:

James Burden, Brewer died 28th July 1863 age 68
Wife Isabella McAllan died 14th November 1825
2nd wife Mary McLay died 21st January 1861 aged 62
Peter Burden died 22nd December 1833 aged 15 months
Janet Burden died 11th October 1870 age 42, wife of
William Liddel died 18th February 1900 age 74
James Burden L. died Ghinde, East Africa 13th February 1897 age 32
Janet Burden McNicol died 27th November 1900 age 44
Isabella Burden McNicol died 27th July 1907 age 81
Mary McLay L. died 13th April 1941 age 79
Robert McNicol born 14th March 1854, died 28th January 1914.

I have no idea what the 'L's' stand for (James Burden L. and Mary McLay L.)

Anne

[apanderson]

In St. Ninian's Old Churchyard (There are 2 St. Ninians Churchyards' - the 'Old' and the 'New)

1. (Flat Stone)
1843
David Abercromby, farmer, Bandeath
Isobella Mackey Abercromby

2. (Sits at head of above)
David Abercrombie died 20th July 1849 age 82
Wife Isabella Mackie (born?) 1783 - died 17th October 1847
Daughter Isabella born 17th May 1809, died 4th June 1824
Son David born 27th July 1805, died 17th May 1881

3.
1833
David Sharp
Janet Abercromby

4.
Andrew Ritchie of Guildybutts in Falkirk Parish, Shipmaster, Airth died July 1782 age 63
Wife Janet Burden died 1831

Anne

[b1b2j3]

L stands for Liddell / Liddle / Lidell.

Monumental Stone. Holy Rude (Mar & Valley) Churchyard. and from Andrew the Photographer. "The later grave photo I sent you for the Burden family is in the Mar & Valley Cemeteries that adjoins the Old Cemetery".

James Burden and Family. Sacred To the Memory of James Burden Brewer Stirling died 28 July 1863 aged 63 years. Isabella McAllan his Spouse died Stirling 14th November 1825. Mary McLay his second Spouse died 21 January 1861 aged 62 years. Peter Burden died 22 December 1833 aged 15 months. Janet Burden wife of Wm Liddell died 11 October 1870 aged 42 also William Liddell died 18 February 1900 aged 74 years also, James Burden Liddell died at Chinoe, South Africa 13 February 1897. And Janet Burden McNicol died 27 November 1900 Isabella Burden McNicol died 27 July 1907 aged 81 years. And Mary McLay Liddell died 13 April 1941. Photographer: Andrew Eadie, 2008.

[b1b2j3]

I'll be Googling and Thank you. Bron

Hi Bron,

Cousin Photographer is quite right.

To give you a better idea of the location of both Churchyards ......

Go to Multimap UK, (choose either road or aerial views) and key in the map reference NS794936, this is Holy Rude.

Change the map reference to NS796916, this is St. Ninian's

Or .....

Start at Holy Rude, follow the St. John Street until it becomes Spittal Street, then onto King Street.
King Street joins Port Street which then becomes St. Ninian's Road.
Follow St. Ninian's Road (B8051) which eventually becomes Main Street, until you come to a junction (with Weaver Row, Borestone Crescent and Kirk Wynd)

St. Ninian's Churchyards are located on Kirk Wynd and this is St. Ninian's.

Sounds a bit complicated, but once you've had a look at the map, you'll actually see how straightforward it is.

Anne

[apanderson]

Hello again Bron 

Just to let you know ...... (and probably confuse you further!)

All the cemeteries you mentioned are quite separate.

1. Holy Rude Churchyard
2. Mar Cemetery
3. Valley Cemetery

Also beside Mar & Valley cemeteries, there's another one - Snowdon Cemetery

100 yards along the road on the other side of Stirling Castle is yet another one - Ballengeich Cemetery, on Ballengeich Pass and collectively, they're known as the 'Top of the Town' Cemeteries.

Unfortunately, your cousin is wrong about the other Burden stone. It's in Holy Rude.

If you visit Multimap (again!!), and key in map reference NS791937 and zoom in as far as you can looking at an 'aerial view', you'll see a large very white stone at the left of the map (where the Churchyard tapers to a triangular shape). The Burden stone in question sits 3/4 rows in fron of this white stone towards the Church.

Anne

[abe23]

The attached Burden gravestone is in the "Valley Cemetery". The descriptions of the cemeteries adjacent to what is now called the Holy Rude Church are given in a recent publication by Stirling Council Library Service. Unfortunately copyright issues prevent me from posting the layouts of the Mar & Valley Cemeteries and the Stirling (Old) Cemetery given in this publication. The gravestone erected by Ann Eadie is in the Stirling (Old) Cemetery. In the 19th century this was referred to as the "graveyard". The layout of these cemeteries in the 19th century can be seen on the large scale town plans for Stirling on the National Library of Scotland website at http://www.nls.uk/maps/townplans/stirling.html


Prior to church being called the Holy Rude Church in the the 20th century it was actually two churches, one for the East Parish and one for the West Parish.

[apanderson]

Hello abe23.

Thank you for adding that info and the links - most useful.

I think I was confusing poor Bron more than I was helping!! 

From a very reliable and knowledgeable colleague in Stirling, I am able to confim that the Burden stone in question is indeed in what is now known as Holy Rude Churchyard and is Lair No. 91.

Lair 91 orginally belonged to a Thomas McGibbon and was acquired by James Burden in 1850.

Anne

[LoracM]

Hi I have just found this site and have  lot of information re the Abercrombie line.  Henry Abercrombie "Potter" in Throsk married Margaret Ure.   His line came from John = Margaret M'Lea and his parents were Robert = Jane Stobie and their parents were John Abercrombie and Catherine Black.   I am descended from this line and am a descendant of David and Isabel Mackie.     I am also Australian and am here for one week Would be interested in talking to anyone who is related or can give me any further information or photos.