1841/1851 censuses - Richard Winter - COMPLETED WITH GRATEFUL THANKS TO DETTORI2

[Zephyr]

I am looking for a Richard Winter born circa 1780 I believe in Westmorland.  He married a Mary Bird in 1805 (hence my guess at birth date) and their children were born in Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland between 1808 and 1821.  I have checked the IGI but can't see a suitable Richard so am wondering if he is still alive on 1841 or 1851 censuses with hopefully a place of birth.  I do not know his occupation. 

(If it helps, their youngest son was called Richard, his occupation was Chemist/Druggist and his children were born in Appleby, Westmorland.)

If someone could please check the censuses, I should be very grateful.

With many thanks.

Zephyr

[*Sandra*]

1841- Transcription Error.
Ruh Wenter Age 50
Mary Wenter Age 60 Mary Wenter Age 20

 

[*Sandra*]

Richard Winter Death East Ward 25-287

1850 Brough. Westmorland. Transcription Error.
Doomsgate
Mary Windser Age 71
Mary Windser Age 32 School Mistress
Edwin Davies Age 27 Lodger
Mary Aveller K Age 12 Lodger
Isabella Shepherd Age 10 Lodger

[*Sandra*]

Mary Winter death Dec 1861 East Ward 10b 371

[*Sandra*]

Anc...try Tree has Richard Winter 1776 Kirby Stephens and a death date of 13 Nov 1844 Appleby. (That fits with free bmd redg) Mary Bird 1780 Brough. Westmorland and a death date of 6 Nov 1861 Appleby Westmorland. (also fits with free bmd redg)

In 1829 co-owner of Winter and Sanderson Brewery.

Father Thomas Winter 1750 Souby. Westmorland. Marriage to Agnes Powson 20 May 1767 Orton. Westmorland. Occupation:- Carpenter.

A gravestone inscription - Appleby. Westmorland.
Erected in memory of Edward Allinson, chemist and druggist, who departed this life at Appleby, August 19th 1840. Also in memory of Richard Winter, Brewer, of the same place, who departed this life November 13th 1844 aged 68 years. Also Mary his wife who died November 6th 1861 aged 81 years. Frederick Richard Winter, Grandson, who died September 9th 1860 aged 5 months.

 

[*Sandra*]

Richard Winter the son born 1821 received the Freedom Of Appleby 26 Oct 1857

Also sent personal message.

 

[Zephyr]

Hello Dettori28

That is wonderful!  Thank you very very much.  The youngest son, Richard, did have a son Frederick Richard born 1860 so that fits in nicely with the gravestone inscription.  I didn't know about the brewery so that is very interesting and of course the inscription on the gravestone is also very helpful.

Thank you also for the info on father Thomas Winter and his wife.

I can't thank you enough for all that lovely information.

Many thanks for your efforts.

With grateful thanks.

Zephyr
 

[*Sandra*]

No problem - glad it was all useful.


All the best
 

[Blairwink]

Zephyr,

Hi, I'm Blair Winter, the Richard in question's x4 Grandson. I've got quite a good deal of info and pictures etc on Ancestry.

Ricahrd was the co -owner of the Brewery in Doomgate (Winter and Sanderson), the family also ran a few of the pubs in Appleby around that time. The Holmes-Sanderson family seem to  have remained friends with the family over the years as Helen Holmes Sanderson was a witness at my Grandads Wedding - I cant find the link so any ifo on them would be greatfully recieved. The Brewery in Appleby was on the corner of Holmes Street and Doomgate so I suspect they are an old Appleyby family.
I've also got the original of his son Richard's (the druggist) freedom of Appleby. Its all on Ancestry and is quite a lot by 'Ryan S' on there. I also got a few bits not on Ancestry regarding the son like his chemist shop details and chemist registration etc. They all left Appleby around 1880 to the North East (for some reason my Grandad was born in York as the family spent 2 years there) but the family hails from the Durham area fom 1880, and split again around the depression in  the 20s.  If your related or otherwise I would love to hear from you and as to why you have an interest. Regards Blair.