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WW1 pensions records
« on: Monday 18 January 10 20:48 GMT (UK) »
I need some help please, I am trying to find my fathers ww1 pensions record. My father joined the army in 1914, Sidney Stokes Royal Army Medical Corps Reg. No. 34435. I have his medal roll which tells me he was discharged on 26th. Jan.1917. I have been told that although alot of records were destroyed in WW2 the pensions records were kept in another  place and they survived but try as I may I just cannot find him.

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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 January 10 22:25 GMT (UK) »
All the surviving records, whether "service" or "pension" are available either on Ancestry [pay to view - subscription] or at The National Archives at Kew, where they may be seen for free.

There are four hits on Ancestry for Sidney Stokes, but I have no way of telling if any relate to your man:

 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=39&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_f-39&gsfn=sidney&gsln=stokes&_81004240=1914&sbo=0

Hope that helps,

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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 08:46 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the reply, unfortunaly I have the Ancestryrecords and I am afraid he is not there. I thought that all pension records were available but it seems not so. I think it may need a visit to Kew.
Sidney Stokes was born and lived in Birmingham.
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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 12:52 GMT (UK) »
A lot of records were lost during the blitz but all I know is 40% of the service records survived.  However Pension Records may not have been affected, it doesn't say

This link seems to explain a bit more:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/service_records/sr_soldiers.htm

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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 14:32 GMT (UK) »
Did everyone get a pension?
Goulds of Sheffield, Thursfields of Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Archers of Smisby, Ropes of Earsham/Eastwood, Hursts of Dukinfield/Stalybridge/Kingsbury, Andrew roller makers of Stalybridge/Dukinfield.

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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Or did everyone apply for one even if entitled.

My grandfather was wounded during the 1st World War but after the war was able to return to the job he had had before the war.

He isn't listed in the pension records so I presume he never applied.
Goulds of Sheffield, Thursfields of Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Archers of Smisby, Ropes of Earsham/Eastwood, Hursts of Dukinfield/Stalybridge/Kingsbury, Andrew roller makers of Stalybridge/Dukinfield.

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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 January 10 16:55 GMT (UK) »
The "Pension" records are simply those records that were with the Ministry of Pensions at the time when the Blitz saw the destruction of the bulk of the WW1 service records. After the war the War Office asked all departments who had relevant files on WW1 soldiers to send them back in an attempt to piece together at least some of what had been lost in the Blitz. As far as I am aware the only department that had any records was the Ministry of Pensions, who duly obliged and sent the records back.

As a result there were two sets of files, the so called "burnt records" - what was left after the fire and water damage - and the "Pension" records - the ones from the Ministry of Pensions. Both sets of records were made available to Ancestry to create the digitalised sets that are now on their website. If you go to Kew all that will happen is that you will be directed to a computer which is able to access Ancestry for free. I suppose if you really wanted to you could ask to see the original microfilmed records, but there wouldn't be a lot of point as all you would get was what was sent to Ancestry in the first place.

As far as entitlement to a pension is concerned the quick answer is that not everyone was eligible for a WW1 pension. If a man was wounded, gassed or suffered illness which was attributable to his war service then he was sent before a Medical Board. If, in their opinion, there was sufficient cause, then a pension would be set, usually a few shillings paid weekly. All of the ones that I have seen were time limited - that is they were awarded for a set period of time, usually 26 or 52 weeks, after which it was back in front of the Medical Board to see if the pension was still needed.

Hope that helps a bit,

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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 January 10 08:08 GMT (UK) »
It does help jds1949

I've looked at quite a few pension army records for close & distant relations.  Most were turned down for a pension.

My granddad survived being wounded & gassed.  He didn't suffer with the wounding but he did suffer with his lungs, on doctor's advice he gave up smoking & always wore a scarf.

During the war he was sent to recupirate at Uppingham where he met my grandmother.

He couldn't have thought he was entitled to an army pension & so never applied.





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Re: WW1 pensions records
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 January 10 08:10 GMT (UK) »
Going back to Sidney Stokes did he work after returning from war?
Goulds of Sheffield, Thursfields of Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Archers of Smisby, Ropes of Earsham/Eastwood, Hursts of Dukinfield/Stalybridge/Kingsbury, Andrew roller makers of Stalybridge/Dukinfield.